Gogeta in blue evolution Kaioken x20. Gogeta Blue while not a big advantage, held an advantage over someone Goku thinks might be as strong as Beerus. Supereme Kai who is a better authority thought Vegito Blue was near Beerus. UI Goku and Jiren are near if not stronger than Beerus. Gogeta even if he is weaker I don't think he's 400x weaker than UI Goku and Jiren.p-hyvo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:10 amGogeta in wich form?miguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:58 pmWithout making Beerus and Whis stronger again Gogeta should be a threat to an Angel.Super Murjin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:41 pm An angel would destroy everyone with ease.
It would look like that scene from Tree of Might where Goku beats up all of Turles' men at the same time.
No chance for the mortals against an angel.
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This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.Cold Skin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:39 pm Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.
Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.
Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).
So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.
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Even if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.miguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 amThis theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.Cold Skin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:39 pm Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.
Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.
Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).
So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.
Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
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Goku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 amEven if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.miguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 amThis theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.Cold Skin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:39 pm Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.
Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.
Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).
So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.
Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
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Goku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 amGoku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 amEven if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.miguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 am
This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.
Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
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In the anime?where?Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 amGoku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 amGoku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 am
Even if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.
Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
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Goku saw Beerus fight Champa twice in the anime.p-hyvo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:11 amIn the anime?where?Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 amGoku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 am
Goku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.
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You mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:09 pmGoku saw Beerus fight Champa twice in the anime.p-hyvo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:11 amIn the anime?where?Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:30 am
Goku saw Beerus fight at 100% in both manga and anime.
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Yeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:03 pmYou mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?
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What would be funnier?theherodjl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:58 pm Say Whis was under orders from Daishinkan to test the full might of his universe's best fighters by threatening to destroy it, could all of the strongest, smartest, and most experienced fighters of Earth as well as Broly & Freeza be able to stop Whis?
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No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pmYeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:03 pmYou mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?
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A fly marrying a bumblebee?Zephyr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:54 pmWhat would be funnier?theherodjl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:58 pm Say Whis was under orders from Daishinkan to test the full might of his universe's best fighters by threatening to destroy it, could all of the strongest, smartest, and most experienced fighters of Earth as well as Broly & Freeza be able to stop Whis?
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Supreme Kai said Vegito was almost as strong as Beerus in the Black arc in the manga. low balling it Gogeta, UI Goku and Jiren should be at Full power Beerus level or beyond.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:32 amGoku said Broly might be stronger than Beerus, and he hasn't ever seen Beerus' full power. So Broly ~ The percent of Beerus' power that Goku has seen < SSJB Gogeta.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:49 amEven if that interview wasn't retconned a long time ago, it was never meant to be analyzed seriously. It was to show just how far Goku was from Beerus and that Whis was even farther from Beerus, back when SSGod was the limit.miguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:31 am
This theory is fine expect Toriyama stated Whis is 1.5 stronger than Beerus. Even with 10 and 15 gone we know Toriyama designed Whis to have a limit above the Destroyers.
Whis is definitely more than just 1.5 stronger than Beerus... that's probably the difference with Broly. Actually low-balling, MUI, Jiren and Gogeta Blue must be at least 1.5 stronger than Beerus.
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No, I mean, would Whis winning or losing be funnier?theherodjl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:14 pmA fly marrying a bumblebee?Zephyr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:54 pmWhat would be funnier?theherodjl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:58 pm Say Whis was under orders from Daishinkan to test the full might of his universe's best fighters by threatening to destroy it, could all of the strongest, smartest, and most experienced fighters of Earth as well as Broly & Freeza be able to stop Whis?
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I don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pmNo more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pmYeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:03 pm
You mean when they just punched each other a few times before Whis and Vados stopped them?
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He showed more pain and injury than he did either of the times he fought Champa.Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:01 pmI don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pmNo more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pm
Yeah, they were hurting each other so they weren't holding back.
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When? I don't remember Beerus bleeding in his fight with Goku.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:05 pmHe showed more pain and injury than he did either of the times he fought Champa.Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:01 pmI don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pm
No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.
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Really? I don't agreePolyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:05 pmHe showed more pain and injury than he did either of the times he fought Champa.Soldierofficial wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:01 pmI don't remember that Beerus was severely injured after fighting Goku, he was in good state iirc.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 pm
No more than SSJG Goku was hurting Beerus in their fight.
Here's Beerus vs Goku, I provided the exact moment where the fight concludes, Beerus is unscathered.
https://youtu.be/jWYLTUtwJUg?t=411
Here's the end part of Beerus vs Champa, they are both nosebleeding and with one eye shut, clearly injured.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ComposedDecim ... ricted.gif
The manga does have Beerus and Champa uninjured during their fight before U6 Tournament, but it has also Beerus uninjured after fighting SSGod.
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Whis losing of course. I could actually see Whis losing via a classic DB gag scene, he unwittingly stepped in animal poop despite having mastered Ultra Instinct so there does seem to be at least a few exceptions to the technique's awareness.
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We have never seen a serious Whis so that makes this hard to gauge. Though we're talking like millions or billions of people across this universe against one person? Like if they team up and concoct some plan involving magic or something they could very well. Like if Buu hits him with candy beam that's it. They could throw all their resources on making sure Whis gets hit with candy beam or devilmite beam.
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