Characters Fates in Alternate Timelines.

[TobyS]

EDIT: Updated to show Tarble and Cells death date narrowing the Dabra attack range of time.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1192 ... sp=sharing

This dudes brilliant post:
viewtopic.php?t=42105
Got me thinking about what characters, such as Zamasu but also the game characters and stuff, and how their lives went down in the alt timelines.
This took ages, what do you think, can anyone see any errors? Suggestions? Wild Theories?
Copy of Google Doc content:

Timeline 1 - Main Timeline. Cell Games with Trunks. Trunks decides to stay and train in the Room of Spirit and Time.
Zamasu: Hakai’d by Beerus for intending to kill Gowasu become Goku Black in Age 779
Towa: Starts dicking around with earlier ages, Time Nest responds from Age 850, presumably she’s starting these attacks from Age 850 as otherwise an earlier incarnation of the time Nest would have to respond as the scrolls would begin glowing then and not be able to be left for too long. She seemingly dies after being absorbed by her creation Mira, who is then killed by Son Goku and a Time Patroller.
Demigra: Dies when killed by the time patrol in Age 850/2. In 75 Million Before Age, the Supreme Kai of Time punished the Demon God Demigra by sealing him in the Crack of Time which became Demigra's prison. This means he is outside time and not duplicated when the timelines were split unless Timeline 5 was created before this, which is unlikely.
21: Around June of Age 779 Is Killed by the Dragon Team
Broly: Broly Movie
Moro: Ongoing
Tarble: presumably alive and well unless Moro's goons killed him.

Timeline 2 - New Future Timeline. Trunks kills Android 17, 18, and Cell with his own power.
Zamasu: Stays as a Zamasu, is approached by Black from Timeline 6
Towa: Dabra is not killed until some time between Age 788-795, (presumably in the later part of that range because although Trunks has had time to perfect super saiyan 2 he also states “Black arrived shortly after [the fight versus babidi]”, Trunks then spends a year fighting him. She possibly began to prepare her plan to restore the demon realm and get revenge for Dabras death later than in Timeline 1. Either way she probably hasn’t begun to action it and dies when timeline is erased by Zeno in age 796. It’s unlikely Towas plans were acted upon before age 850.
Demigra: (See Timeline 1)
21: Presumably 21 is never released, the earth is too damaged by the other artificial humans, perhaps a weakened 21, with fewer beings to eat and no dragonballs to use was slain. Otherwise she should have have attacked in age 779. Probably no Buu DNA to finish #21 to a reasonable state. Regardless she would have been destroyed when the timeline is erased in Age 796.
Broly: Destroyed when the timeline is erased in Age 796.
Moro: Destroyed when the timeline is erased in Age 796.
Tarble: Tarble and Gine would have found Gohan and Trunks with his scouter, unless he ran into 17 and 18 by bad luck and was killed. Perhaps all four were killed by the androids. Perhaps About and Cado were killed by the androids and then Tarble and Gine fled. Perhaps Gohan and Trunks beat Abo and Cado and sent Tarble off to search for new Namek and he never found it in time to help. Regardless they would have been destroyed when the timeline is erased in Age 796.

Timeline 3 - Original Timeline. Trunks gives blueprints to future Bulma to make a remote shutdown controller. Trunks uses remote to defeat Android 17 and 18. Cell kills Trunks and takes the time machine.
Zamasu: Zamasu does not have a tournament of destroyers in Age 779 to watch and get mad about (even if there is one it has no fighters of the same caliber as Timeline 1 and U6 certainly wouldn’t need to display that level of power to defeat whatever universe had to offer. Over time Gowasu perhaps is able to fix Zamasu?) Alternatively Unseen or U12 Zamasu might recruit this Zamasu?
Towa: With no Trunks or other dragon team left alive Babidi and Dabra are probably able to revive Buu with their Age 788-795 arrival on earth. Whether Dabra is killed or not by this awoken Buu is unsure. Perhaps Towa frees him?
Demigra: (See Timeline 1)
21: Presumably 21 is never released, perhaps the earth is too damaged by the other artificial humans. Perhaps a weakened 21, with fewer beings to eat and no dragonballs to use, was slain. Otherwise she should have have attacked in age 779. Probably no Buu DNA to finish #21 to a reasonable state.
Broly: Never discovered as Freeza does not return and expand his army.
Moro: ?
Tarble: Tarble and Gine would have found Gohan and Trunks with his scouter, unless he ran into 17 and 18 by bad luck and was killed. Perhaps all four were killed by the androids. Perhaps Abo and Cado were killed by the androids and then Tarble and Gine fled. Perhaps Gohan and Trunks beat Abo and Cado and sent Tarble off to search for new Namek and he never found it in time to help.


Timeline 4 - Unseen Timeline. Cell Games without Trunks? Trunks leaves with the blueprints he finds from Dr. Gero's basement lab and returns to Timeline 3.
Zamasu: ?
Towa: ?
Demigra: See (Timeline 1)
21: ?
Broly: ?
Moro: ?
Tarble: If the dragon team aren't killed by Buu he's alive and well unless he's killed by Moro's goons. Otherwise he's probably eventually caught and killed by Abo and Cado.

Timeline 5 – First Alternate Timeline. A mortal from Universe 12 used the first time machine in history to go to the past. Timeline created “Long ago”, the ring for it was there when Gowasu checked over 400 years ago. The other DB timelines were created “a few years ago” Gowasu states at the same time.
Zamasu: ?
Towa: ?
Demigra: See (Timeline 1 Possibly the alternate one Defeated in 852)
21: ?
Broly: ?
Moro: ?
Tarble: ?

Timeline 6 – Former main timeline.
Zamasu: Zamasu switches with Goku’s body to become Black, kills Gowasu and Goku, and takes the time ring to Timeline 2. Is killed when Zeno erases Timeline 2
Towa: ?
Demigra: (See Timeline 1)
21: Around June of Age 779 Is Killed by the Dragon Team
Broly: ?
Moro: ?
Tarble: presumably alive and well unless Moro's goons kill him.

Timeline 7- New Future Trunks Timeline. Created when Trunks and Mai travel from Timeline 1 to before Dabra. Whis from Timeline 1 wakes up Beerus early and warns him of Zamasu. There is no Black in this timeline. There are two pairs of Trunks and Mai. Dabra is defeated, Shin lives and hence, Beerus lives.
Zamasu: Zamasu is sealed permanently.
Towa: The plan was for Whis/Beerus to contact their counterparts and for Kaioshin/Beerus not to die. Trunks still specifically states his intention to defeat Dabra and Babidi, so perhaps only intends to ask for their help with Zamasu. Either way we don’t see how the battle goes down. Perhaps Babidi is killed and Dabra is sent home, with the Demon realm being grateful? We just don’t know...
Demigra: (See Timeline 1)
21: Presumably 21 is never released, perhaps the earth is too damaged by the other artificial humans. Perhaps a weakened 21, with fewer beings to eat and no dragonballs to use, was slain. Otherwise she should have have attacked in age 779. Probably no Buu DNA to finish #21 to a reasonable state.
Broly: Never discovered as Freeza does not return and expand his army.
Moro: ?
Tarble: Tarble and Gine would have found Gohan and Trunks with his scouter, unless he ran into 17 and 18 by bad luck and was killed. Perhaps all four were killed by the androids. Perhaps Abo and Cado were killed by the androids and then Tarble and Gine fled. Perhaps Gohan and Trunks beat Abo and Cado and sent Tarble off to search for new Namek and he never found it in time to help.
[Workings: All but kid Gohan dead in Age 767 at 10 years old.
Yo! Age 776 Gohan would be 10+9 = 19 Trunks 10 years old.
Already super saiyan at 23 in 780 when he dies. Trunks is 14 already a super saiyan.]

[Grimlock]

Forgot Tarble who died when Zeno erased the timeline. And then there is the original timeline where everyone died, but Tarble is still out there. Poor guy probably died too by the hands of Abo and Cado after he arrived on Earth where he thought he would find his brother. There is not even Trunks here to help. It would be great to see him getting to know his uncle, though.

Towa: With no Trunks or other dragon team left alive Babidi and Dabra are probably able to revive Buu with their Age 785-795 arrival on earth.

To be more precise, Babidi and Dabura appear between AGE 788 (after Trunks defeats Cell) and AGE 795 (before Goku Black's first arrival on Earth in the anime continuity).

[TobyS]

Forgot Tarble who died when Zeno erased the timeline. And then there is the original timeline where everyone died, but Tarble is still out there. Poor guy probably died too by the hands of Abo and Cado after he arrived on Earth where he thought he would find his brother. There is not even Trunks here to help. It would be great to see him getting to know his uncle, though.

Towa: With no Trunks or other dragon team left alive Babidi and Dabra are probably able to revive Buu with their Age 785-795 arrival on earth.

To be more precise, Babidi and Dabura appear between AGE 788 (after Trunks defeats Cell) and AGE 795 (before Goku Black's first arrival on Earth in the anime continuity).

Hmm yeah maybe add a space for Tarble, it seemed back and forth on whether he existed but the “canon to both” at least mentioned Vegeta had a brother again...

I thought Trunks returned to the future and killed the androids in 785? Or was Cell two years later? Might be getting confused because xenoverse has Cell attack at the same time...

Do we know what Age Tarble landed on earth in?
Edit: Ah 776

[SupremeKai25]

Zamasu: Zamasu does not have a tournament of destroyers in Age 779 to watch and get mad about (even if there is one it has no fighters of the same caliber as Timeline 1 and U6 certainly wouldn’t need to display that level of power to defeat whatever universe had to offer. Over time Gowasu perhaps is able to fix Zamasu?) Alternatively Unseen or U12 Zamasu might recruit this Zamasu?

He'd still harbour hatred for mortals like the Zamasu of Timeline 2, but lack the strength and resolve to act. So he'd either be recruited by another Zamasu or complete his training and become the new Supreme Kai of Universe 10 (this would take at the very least centuries, though, I think Gowasu still had a lot of years left). With time, his hatred for mortals could disappear or be neutered by his new position as Supreme Kai. With no Goku around to push him to the edge, he could eventually reform properly. A "reformed" Zamasu would make for the most successful Supreme Kai in the history of the multiverse. Powerful and brilliant, yet at the same time gifted with a strong sense of justice. If he managed to balance the two, his sense of justice and his duties as a God of Creation, not Destruction, he would be perfect.

As for the two Zamasu in timeline 4 and 5 respectively, if Goku somehow ended up not dying of a heart virus in those timelines, one of them would become like the Zamasu of Timeline 6 (becomes Black) and the other would become like the Zamasu of Timeline 1 (Destroyed by Beerus). The one who becomes Black would then go on to recruit the Zamasu of Timeline 3, Yes. But again, this is assuming that Goku is still alive and kicking in timelines 4 and 5.

So right now we have not one, not two, but THREE Zamasu lurking around somewhere out there. Interesting. Very interesting.

[TobyS]

Forgot Tarble who died when Zeno erased the timeline. And then there is the original timeline where everyone died, but Tarble is still out there. Poor guy probably died too by the hands of Abo and Cado after he arrived on Earth where he thought he would find his brother. There is not even Trunks here to help. It would be great to see him getting to know his uncle, though.

Towa: With no Trunks or other dragon team left alive Babidi and Dabra are probably able to revive Buu with their Age 785-795 arrival on earth.

To be more precise, Babidi and Dabura appear between AGE 788 (after Trunks defeats Cell) and AGE 795 (before Goku Black's first arrival on Earth in the anime continuity).

Unless I'm missing something Trunks should be 10 and Gohan 19 and alive at this stage.

Enough to kill Freeza tier Abo and Cado. How it plays out we'll never know although I've edited my OP to include all the combinations I can think of.

[TobyS]

I'm starting to suspect there's sorta implied or has to be only one Towa...

If she ran away to the future soon after Dabra was snatched, or was already dicking around in the future would she be duplicated by Trunks time travels or not? Which would be her home timeline she returned to before realising there are now others?

[Grimlock]

I thought Trunks returned to the future and killed the androids in 785? Or was Cell two years later? Might be getting confused because xenoverse has Cell attack at the same time...

That is the alteration. Cell was completed earlier and absorbed Android 17 and Android 18 before Trunks could defeat them. The androids are originally killed in AGE 785 and Cell in AGE 788. The three-year timeskip is mentioned in the manga.

Unless I'm missing something Trunks should be 10 and Gohan 19 and alive at this stage.

That is assuming Tarble went to Earth in AGE 776 in any of the future's timelines. But clearly he didn't, otherwise Trunks would probably mention it when he came to the present in AGE 764 or when he returned again in AGE 767 (yeah, obviously Trunks didn't mention Tarble because the character didn't even exist back then, but in-universe, there's no really explanation).

[TobyS]

I thought Trunks returned to the future and killed the androids in 785? Or was Cell two years later? Might be getting confused because xenoverse has Cell attack at the same time...

That is the alteration. Cell was completed earlier and absorbed Android 17 and Android 18 before Trunks could defeat them. The androids are originally killed in AGE 785 and Cell in AGE 788. The three-year timeskip is mentioned in the manga.

Unless I'm missing something Trunks should be 10 and Gohan 19 and alive at this stage.

That is assuming Tarble went to Earth in AGE 776 in any of the future's timelines. But clearly he didn't, otherwise Trunks would probably mention it when he came to the present in AGE 764 or when he returned again in AGE 767 (yeah, obviously Trunks didn't mention Tarble because the character didn't even exist back then, but in-universe, there's no really explanation).

In universe I don't see why Trunks would feel the need to mention it, he was too weak to help fight the androids and neither timeline had away if contacting him again/early.

I think they were killed by the androids before meeting Trunks.

Maybe Gohan met them but trunks wasn't allowed and they died/left and Gohan never passed that info on before he died.... Lotsa ways round it IMO.

[Grimlock]

In universe I don't see why Trunks would feel the need to mention it, he was too weak to help fight the androids and neither timeline had away if contacting him again/early.

Because it's his uncle (?). And given the circumstances, Tarble learning that Vegeta is dead would probably make him feel the need to get stronger to defend Gure and her people. Gohan would train him for a while, so he would stick around with Trunks for a time.
Be in Trunks' shoes, you are living in a chaotic time with most people dead but your mother, then suddenly a relative of yours shows up and it turns out to be your father's brother... There's no sane reason to not mention him if you get the chance to talk with your father somehow.

But yeah, in Dragon Ball, characters strangely don't care about relatives, Goku knows Bulma for 31 years and Vegeta knows her for 18 years, yet they would only learn about Tights last year, in AGE 779. It's kinda pathetic how Dragon Ball handles this issue. No one oddly talks about anything to anyone even when it comes to family stuff. All they talk is about useless, retarded and/or irrelevant stuff. There are characters who could at least tell Goku about his father and what he did. Tell Goku that he is only alive because of Bardock... Nope, let's talk about why Goku wants to become stronger, even though this is old news to everyone by now.

[TobyS]

In universe I don't see why Trunks would feel the need to mention it, he was too weak to help fight the androids and neither timeline had away if contacting him again/early.

Because it's his uncle (?). And given the circumstances, Tarble learning that Vegeta is dead would probably make him feel the need to get stronger to defend Gure and her people. Gohan would train him for a while, so he would stick around with Trunks for a time.
Be in Trunks' shoes, you are living in a chaotic time with most people dead but your mother, then suddenly a relative of yours shows up and it turns out to be your father's brother... There's no sane reason to not mention him if you get the chance to talk with your father somehow.

But yeah, in Dragon Ball, characters strangely don't care about relatives, Goku knows Bulma for 31 years and Vegeta knows her for 18 years, yet they would only learn about Tights last year, in AGE 779. It's kinda pathetic how Dragon Ball handles this issue. No one oddly talks about anything to anyone even when it comes to family stuff. All they talk is about useless, retarded and/or irrelevant stuff. There are characters who could at least tell Goku about his father and what he did. Tell Goku that he is only alive because of Bardock... Nope, let's talk about why Goku wants to become stronger, even though this is old news to everyone by now.

Yeah, well then if that were the case, i'd just chose to believe they were killed by the androids before meeting Gohan or Trunks.

[Hulk10]

I dunno if I'd say the characters don't care about relatives so much as they don't think about them much.