Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

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Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hulk10 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:12 pm

I realize that since Broly didn't transform into a Super Saiyan when he went berserk it seems that his Super Saiyan form is unlikely to be unlocked by anger. Though its possible.
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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by nato25 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:57 pm

Didn't his anger toward Paragus being killed lead to him turning into SSJ1?

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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:18 am

I don't think his so-called Ikari form is fueled by anger, he is a great ape in the body of a human. How does he turn Ikari, like where does he tap into for that power isn't really clear but I don't think it has to do with being angry

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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hulk10 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:20 am

nato25 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:57 pm
Didn't his anger toward Paragus being killed lead to him turning into SSJ1?
The creators claimed Broly's form was accessed by intense sorrow. So there must have been a lot of sorrow but I do also think anger played a big role.
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I don't think his so-called Ikari form is fueled by anger, he is a great ape in the body of a human. How does he turn Ikari, like where does he tap into for that power isn't really clear but I don't think it has to do with being angry
I would love to know how he transforms too. But maybe anger has a role in it.
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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hugo Boss » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:47 am

Broli has an abnormal level of anger. You can’t really compare him with the other Saiyans. The grief he felt when his father was killed probably affected even more his already twisted mind, which from his perspective is the breakpoint to become a Super Saiyan.

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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Thani » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:11 am

Yeah, I think Hugo is pretty much on point. All moments of Super Saiyan being unlocked also involved a lot of sorrow. Goku seeing Krillin die, Trunks finding Gohan's corpse, Vegeta believing he would never be a Super Saiyan. Hell, even Kale, believing she lost Caulifla's affection and that she would be forever a useless nobody, was in a lot of sorrow.

So I guess it has to be a cruel shock to the saiyan's emotions, after passing a certain threshold of power, that ignites the anger in them. A pracrical of this happening is using tragedy and sorrow to stimulate it.

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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hulk10 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:22 am

Thani wrote:
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Yeah, I think Hugo is pretty much on point. All moments of Super Saiyan being unlocked also involved a lot of sorrow. Goku seeing Krillin die, Trunks finding Gohan's corpse, Vegeta believing he would never be a Super Saiyan. Hell, even Kale, believing she lost Caulifla's affection and that she would be forever a useless nobody, was in a lot of sorrow.

So I guess it has to be a cruel shock to the saiyan's emotions, after passing a certain threshold of power, that ignites the anger in them. A pracrical of this happening is using tragedy and sorrow to stimulate it.
Yeah. I'm not entirely convinced that Broly has an abnormal level of anger. But he is unique, like Kale and all moments of Super Saiyan ascession with the exception of Caulifla have involved a mix of anger and sorrow.

But Hugo is on point with the grief Broly felt. But I don't think Broly's mind is twisted. But the grief he felt at his father's death definately did bring it out as Toriyama or Toyataro said that Broly's Super Saiyan form is unlocked by intense sorrow.
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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hugo Boss » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:44 pm

Broli is not what you would consider a mental-healthy character. He has good moments in his current version, but still he doesn’t act in a reasonable way when he fights. If his mind were sane, we wouldn’t see that dramatically altering his appearance.

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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hulk10 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:15 pm

Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.
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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Miracles » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 pm

nato25 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:57 pm
Didn't his anger toward Paragus being killed lead to him turning into SSJ1?
Yes. That's why Freeza remembered how Goku became SSJ, after killing Krillin. He replicated the same scenario with Paragus and Broly.
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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by theherodjl » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:59 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:15 pm
Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.
He's still insane, its just that he's not naturally homicidal or omnicidal like his classic counterpart was. Modern Broly has all the issues of growing up isolated without knowing how to properly form relationships with others, having to do what his dad said or else suffer physical/mental abuse, and living in feral squalor without even knowing what clean, purified water looks like. Broly was raised like an animal/pet by his lone companion of a father who was not all right in the head himself, its no wonder he'd still be a total basket case.
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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hulk10 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:45 pm

theherodjl wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:59 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:15 pm
Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.
He's still insane, its just that he's not naturally homicidal or omnicidal like his classic counterpart was. Modern Broly has all the issues of growing up isolated without knowing how to properly form relationships with others, having to do what his dad said or else suffer physical/mental abuse, and living in feral squalor without even knowing what clean, purified water looks like. Broly was raised like an animal/pet by his lone companion of a father who was not all right in the head himself, its no wonder he'd still be a total basket case.
He may have those issues but he is not completely insane. He has a good grip on reality. Truly insane individuals do not.
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In the name of the mighty Legions of Predacons who preceded me I will never again bow to your charge! But I will heed your previous advice and face my true enemy AS A BEAST! -Predaking to Unicron controlled Megatron.

The arrogance of man is thinking that we are in control of our destiny. Let them fight. -Dr. Ishiro Serizawa to Admiral William Stenz.

I thank....... you......... -Broly to Cheelai

It's not right for you to say bad things about him. He is my dad." -Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about Paragus.

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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by ankokudaishogun » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:24 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:15 pm
Old Broly was insane.
Only starting from movie-10, and even then I would doubt it.

Movie-8 Broly was perfectly sane, just a gigantic bastard.

Movie-10 Broly was visibly working with reduced mental faculties.
But I'm unconvinced he was properly "insane", just brain-damaged.
His successive cameos in games kept him in this state, up to his latest appearance in DBHeroes were he's just a mindless berserker.


Broly:BR is perfectly sane as well. He doesn't show cognitive issues, at worst he only suffers of poor rage management which is likely mostly caused by nurture than nature.

That said, just being angry isn't enough to trigger Super Saiyan, one must be REALLY pissed off.
And Broly:BR's Wrath Form is less actual rage and more unleashing aggressiveness. Channelling his inner giant ape.

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Re: Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

Post by Hulk10 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:40 pm

ankokudaishogun wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:24 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:15 pm
Old Broly was insane.
Only starting from movie-10, and even then I would doubt it.

Movie-8 Broly was perfectly sane, just a gigantic bastard.

Movie-10 Broly was visibly working with reduced mental faculties.
But I'm unconvinced he was properly "insane", just brain-damaged.
His successive cameos in games kept him in this state, up to his latest appearance in DBHeroes were he's just a mindless berserker.


Broly:BR is perfectly sane as well. He doesn't show cognitive issues, at worst he only suffers of poor rage management which is likely mostly caused by nurture than nature.

That said, just being angry isn't enough to trigger Super Saiyan, one must be REALLY pissed off.
And Broly:BR's Wrath Form is less actual rage and more unleashing aggressiveness. Channelling his inner giant ape.
I agree with you there but theherodjl doesn't.
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In the name of the mighty Legions of Predacons who preceded me I will never again bow to your charge! But I will heed your previous advice and face my true enemy AS A BEAST! -Predaking to Unicron controlled Megatron.

The arrogance of man is thinking that we are in control of our destiny. Let them fight. -Dr. Ishiro Serizawa to Admiral William Stenz.

I thank....... you......... -Broly to Cheelai

It's not right for you to say bad things about him. He is my dad." -Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about Paragus.

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