Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

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Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by theherodjl » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:02 am

...when he doesn't really care about it? Zeno destroys entire universes if he's angry and will destroy them all with little to no hesitation. There's no one as powerful as Zeno capable of strongarming him into doing his job so what exactly is the little, all-powerful imp's motivation for humoring beings that are insignificant to him?
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:52 am

That will probably be revealed when Super returns. Right now it's one of the big mysteries in the story. I personally think that "King of All" is just a made-up term and that Zuno and Zalama are equally important. Together, the three represent the "holy trinity" of universal power, law, and wisdom and they completement each other. As to why Zeno got that position though, I don't know. This entire plot is very mysterious.

Regardless, even if Zeno is very childish and naive, he does show some degree of wisdom. Perhaps he understands it is duty and burden to be King of All and no one else can do it.

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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Hulk10 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:23 pm

That is a very good question. And also why is he so childish and naive?
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Mister_Popo » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:06 pm

At this moment, he only seems to be the king of destruction, not of creation.
Zeno has the ability to destroy anything, where as Zalama seems to have the ability to create and restore (and even bring back people from erasure).
Only the Super Dragon Balls, which were created by Zalama, seem to be able to counter-act Zenos power of erasure.
They could make an intresting story about this.
It would be intresting to see how these poles interact, what their background is, if they ever fought battles ... some more background and lore concerning the divine beings would be nice too, and why the deities and angels exist in the first place.

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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Hulk10 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:34 pm

Mister_Popo wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:06 pm At this moment, he only seems to be the king of destruction, not of creation.
Zeno has the ability to destroy anything, where as Zalama seems to have the ability to create and restore (and even bring back people from erasure).
Only the Super Dragon Balls, which were created by Zalama, seem to be able to counter-act Zenos power of erasure.
They could make an intresting story about this.
It would be intresting to see how these poles interact, what their background is, if they ever fought battles ... some more background and lore concerning the divine beings would be nice too, and why the deities and angels exist in the first place.
Hmm now there is an idea.
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by theherodjl » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:02 am

Mister_Popo wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:06 pm At this moment, he only seems to be the king of destruction, not of creation.
Zeno has the ability to destroy anything, where as Zalama seems to have the ability to create and restore (and even bring back people from erasure).
Only the Super Dragon Balls, which were created by Zalama, seem to be able to counter-act Zenos power of erasure.
They could make an intresting story about this.
It would be intresting to see how these poles interact, what their background is, if they ever fought battles ... some more background and lore concerning the divine beings would be nice too, and why the deities and angels exist in the first place.
I don't think we've actually seen enough of Zeno's abilities to judge his status or purpose as being akin to something like Oblivion from Marvel. For Zeno to even have such power as to eliminate universes on a whim, his own power must be so immense that a mere demonstration of his true power swallows universes whole. As a result, most beings simply perceive Zeno to be be some kind of overarching destroyer above all others. However, Zeno might actually be more like Living Tribunal in that he can freely dictate what happens on a universal or multiversal scale and only chooses to act when something concerns or annoys him. In this case, Zeno chooses to just make whatever bothers him "go away".
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:28 pm

He just is. No deep thought was put into the character or his position so we just have to deal with this sociopath.
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:42 pm

Yeah........... The whole deity system is flawed. Oh there are a few excellent deities around but the system is flawed.
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:19 pm

Because anyone who objects would get erased.
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:11 pm

Wouldn't even be surprised if Zeno is filling in for his father and the Grand Priest is a glorified nanny.

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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:41 pm

FoolsGil wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:11 pm Wouldn't even be surprised if Zeno is filling in for his father and the Grand Priest is a glorified nanny.
And the attendants?
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:45 pm

Hulk10 wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:41 pm
FoolsGil wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:11 pm Wouldn't even be surprised if Zeno is filling in for his father and the Grand Priest is a glorified nanny.
And the attendants?
The Nanny's kids. It doesn't matter, point is Zeno is likely filling in for the one true king of everything

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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by theherodjl » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:47 pm

FoolsGil wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:45 pmThe Nanny's kids. It doesn't matter, point is Zeno is likely filling in for the one true king of everything
...Akira Toriyama?
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:51 pm

theherodjl wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:47 pm
FoolsGil wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:45 pmThe Nanny's kids. It doesn't matter, point is Zeno is likely filling in for the one true king of everything
...Akira Toriyama?
lol, sure why not. :D

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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:55 pm

It seems likely that the attendants are also nannies. :D
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by theherodjl » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:03 pm

FoolsGil wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:51 pmlol, sure why not. :D
:lol: Its technically not wrong. The guides do confirm that Toriyama is a character who does exist in DB's reality and was supposedly the undisputed king so...who knows?
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Rakurai » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:41 am

It's a very Toriyama thing to do. Like how he made Majin Buu a literal baby with no remorse at first. I hate the fact that Zeno is the almighty ruler, it's literally the most stupid thing that's ever happened in all of the DB franchise.
SupremeKai25 wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:52 am That will probably be revealed when Super returns. Right now it's one of the big mysteries in the story. I personally think that "King of All" is just a made-up term and that Zuno and Zalama are equally important. Together, the three represent the "holy trinity" of universal power, law, and wisdom and they completement each other. As to why Zeno got that position though, I don't know. This entire plot is very mysterious.

Regardless, even if Zeno is very childish and naive, he does show some degree of wisdom. Perhaps he understands it is duty and burden to be King of All and no one else can do it.
Super is literally still ongoing. Unless you mean the anime, I don't see a good reason why it can't be revealed in the manga where there is more supervision from Toriyama and where we have a mangaka who actually likes to go more into exposition.
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:43 am

Rakurai wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:41 am It's a very Toriyama thing to do. Like how he made Majin Buu a literal baby with no remorse at first. I hate the fact that Zeno is the almighty ruler, it's literally the most stupid thing that's ever happened in all of the DB franchise.
SupremeKai25 wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:52 am That will probably be revealed when Super returns. Right now it's one of the big mysteries in the story. I personally think that "King of All" is just a made-up term and that Zuno and Zalama are equally important. Together, the three represent the "holy trinity" of universal power, law, and wisdom and they completement each other. As to why Zeno got that position though, I don't know. This entire plot is very mysterious.

Regardless, even if Zeno is very childish and naive, he does show some degree of wisdom. Perhaps he understands it is duty and burden to be King of All and no one else can do it.
Super is literally still ongoing. Unless you mean the anime, I don't see a good reason why it can't be revealed in the manga where there is more supervision from Toriyama and where we have a mangaka who actually likes to go more into exposition.
Because I don't care about the manga, simple.

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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by Rakurai » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:37 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:43 am
Because I don't care about the manga, simple.
Ahh, good to know it was never rooted on any serious or valid grounds then.
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Re: Why Is Zeno Even King Of Everything?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:39 am

Rakurai wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:37 am
SupremeKai25 wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:43 am
Because I don't care about the manga, simple.
Ahh, good to know it was never rooted on any serious or valid grounds then.
There's nothing wrong with only caring about the anime. I'm allowed to like whatever I want.

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