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Post by Hakaishin Liquir » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:07 am

Notes: Angels and Hakaishin are all getting grouped together, no Gogeta since the power gap between him and Vegito isn't clear, and MUI Goku and the different versions of Zamasu are getting separated, but other than that, every other character gets only one version of themselves, with that ofc being them at their strongest (so only SSBE Vegeta and no SSB Vegeta). Not including Future Zamasu since immortality makes him too hard to rate.

1. Zeno
2 and 3. Infinite Zamasu and Grand Priest (you have to erase the entire multiverse to kill Infinite Zamasu)

Zarama and the other 4 of the top 5 fighters that Whis mentioned (assuming that none of them are Zarama or Angels) could be anywhere between Zeno and the Angels

4. Angels
5 and 6. SSB Vegito and MUI Goku
7 and 8. Jiren and Broly
9. Hakaishin
10. Merged Zamasu
11. Kefla
12. Aniraza
13 and 14. Goku and Vegeta (SSBKK and SSBE)
15. Toppo (Hakaishin, with the SSB level characters without it)
16. Hit
17. Black
18. Future Trunks
19. Dyspo
20. Frieza
21. Android 17
22. Gohan
23 and 24. Saonel and Pirina
25. Kale
26. Obuni
27. Magetta
28. Maji Kayo
29. Caulifla
30. Cabba

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by DragonBallLove » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:10 pm

Since you said "anime", does that includes SDBH? You should include then Kamioren, Hearts and Cumber, imho

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Koitsukai » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:12 am

1- Zen O
2- Daishinkan
3- Zarama?
4- unknown fighter
5- unknown fighter 2
6- unknown fighter 3
7- Angels
8- Goku
9- Vegito/Gogeta
10- Jiren
11- Broly
12- The 12 Hakaishin
13- Vegeta
14- Hakaishin Toppo
15- Kefla
16- Merged Zamasu
17- Freeza
18- Goku Black
19- Hit
20- Aniraza
21- 17
22- Gohan
23- Future Trunks
24- Dyspo
25- Koichiarator
26- Kale
27- Majikayo
28- Obuni
29- Caulifla
30- Frost

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by SupremeKai25 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Not including Future Zamasu since immortality makes him too hard to rate.
Since you ranked Infinite Zamasu (who is immortal), you should rank Future Zamasu too. I'd put him between Obuni and Majikayo. Not fully Blue level yet, but close.

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Post by Soldierofficial » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:51 pm

1- Zeno
2- Daishinkan
3- Whis
4- Zeno's Guards
5- SSB Gogeta
6- FPSSJ Broly
7- Beerus
8- UI Goku
9- LB Jiren
10- SSBE Vegeta
11- GoD Toppo
12- SSJ2 Kefla
13- Golden Freeza
14- Android 17
15- Aniraza
16- Inifinite Zamasu
17- SSB Vegetto
18- SSR Future Trunks (w Spirit Sword)
19- Hit
20- Dyspo
21- Ultimate Gohan
22- Koichiarator
23- SSR Black
24- Pirina/Saonel
25- Obuni
26- Bergamo
27- Commeson Vegeta
28- Future Zamasu
29- Maji Kayo
30- SSJ2 Kale

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Mister_Popo » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:57 pm

It's a pretty good list. There is some thought put into it.
One main remark/question: why would Merged Zamasu have been that much weaker than Blue Vegito?

In the manga he felt way more superior. In the anime it felt like Merged Zamasu could actually somehow keep up.
If you'd take into account Black Goku was on Blue-level and Future Zamasu was almost on pair with Blue, it should make sense for Merged Zamasu to be weaker, but not by that amount IMO.

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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:34 am

Let's see:

1.- Zeno | Future Zeno
2.- Infinite Zamasu
3.- Grand Priest
4.- Angels
5.- SSB Gogeta | SSB Vegetto
6.- MUI Goku
7.- LB Jiren
8.- Gods of Destruction
9.- FPSS Broly
10.- FT Arc SSB Vegetto
11.- Genki Sword SSI Future Trunks
12.- Corruped Merged Zamasu
13.- Enraged SSBE Vegeta
14.- GoD Toppo
15.- SS2 Kefla
16.- Aniraza
17.- Golden Freeza
18.- SSR Goku Black
19.- Hit
20.- Ultimate Gohan
21.- 17
22.- Koichiarator
23.- SSB Commeson Vegeta
24.- Pirina
25.- Saonel
26.- SS2 Kale
27.- SS2 Caulifla
28.- Maji Kayo
29.- SS2 Cabba
30.- Dyspo

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by p-hyvo » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:06 am

Well well (basing off the anime)

Unknown tier

1 zeno
2 infinite zamasu/universe zamasu
3 daishinkan
4 zeno's guards
5 angels (I put em all in the same group just to not use 12 positions only for them)

Over hakishin tier

6 gogeta
7 broly
8 goku
9 jiren

Hakaishin tier

10 geene
11liquir-arack-iwen
12 vermouth
13 vegeth ft arc/beerus/quitela
14 champa
15 helles/mosco
16 corrupted merged zamasu
17 vegeta
18 toppo
19 kefla

Ssb tier

20 dyspo
21 hit
22 aniraza
23 freezer
24 sidra
25 c17
26 koichianator
27 gohan
28 pirina
29 saonel
30 piccolo

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Post by Soldierofficial » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:02 pm

p-hyvo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:06 am Well well (basing off the anime)

Unknown tier

1 zeno
2 infinite zamasu/universe zamasu
3 daishinkan
4 zeno's guards
5 angels (I put em all in the same group just to not use 12 positions only for them)

Over hakishin tier

6 gogeta
7 broly
8 goku
9 jiren

Hakaishin tier

10 geene
11liquir-arack-iwen
12 vermouth
13 vegeth ft arc/beerus/quitela
14 champa
15 helles/mosco
16 corrupted merged zamasu
17 vegeta
18 toppo
19 kefla

Ssb tier

20 dyspo
21 hit
22 aniraza
23 freezer
24 sidra
25 c17
26 koichianator
27 gohan
28 pirina
29 saonel
30 piccolo
Initial Jiren is stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu.

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:58 am

Soldierofficial wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:02 pm
p-hyvo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:06 am Well well (basing off the anime)

Unknown tier

1 zeno
2 infinite zamasu/universe zamasu
3 daishinkan
4 zeno's guards
5 angels (I put em all in the same group just to not use 12 positions only for them)

Over hakishin tier

6 gogeta
7 broly
8 goku
9 jiren

Hakaishin tier

10 geene
11liquir-arack-iwen
12 vermouth
13 vegeth ft arc/beerus/quitela
14 champa
15 helles/mosco
16 corrupted merged zamasu
17 vegeta
18 toppo
19 kefla

Ssb tier

20 dyspo
21 hit
22 aniraza
23 freezer
24 sidra
25 c17
26 koichianator
27 gohan
28 pirina
29 saonel
30 piccolo
Initial Jiren is stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu.
That's contradicting, considering that not even whis could do something against universe zamasu

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Soldierofficial » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:29 pm

p-hyvo wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:58 am
Soldierofficial wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:02 pm
p-hyvo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:06 am Well well (basing off the anime)

Unknown tier

1 zeno
2 infinite zamasu/universe zamasu
3 daishinkan
4 zeno's guards
5 angels (I put em all in the same group just to not use 12 positions only for them)

Over hakishin tier

6 gogeta
7 broly
8 goku
9 jiren

Hakaishin tier

10 geene
11liquir-arack-iwen
12 vermouth
13 vegeth ft arc/beerus/quitela
14 champa
15 helles/mosco
16 corrupted merged zamasu
17 vegeta
18 toppo
19 kefla

Ssb tier

20 dyspo
21 hit
22 aniraza
23 freezer
24 sidra
25 c17
26 koichianator
27 gohan
28 pirina
29 saonel
30 piccolo
Initial Jiren is stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu.
That's contradicting, considering that not even whis could do something against universe zamasu
That doesn't matter, as far as battle power is concerned we know that Initial Jiren is above Infinite Zamasu, although he can't do anything even against regular Zamasu.

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:50 pm

Soldierofficial wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:02 pm
p-hyvo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:06 am Well well (basing off the anime)

Unknown tier

1 zeno
2 infinite zamasu/universe zamasu
3 daishinkan
4 zeno's guards
5 angels (I put em all in the same group just to not use 12 positions only for them)

Over hakishin tier

6 gogeta
7 broly
8 goku
9 jiren

Hakaishin tier

10 geene
11liquir-arack-iwen
12 vermouth
13 vegeth ft arc/beerus/quitela
14 champa
15 helles/mosco
16 corrupted merged zamasu
17 vegeta
18 toppo
19 kefla

Ssb tier

20 dyspo
21 hit
22 aniraza
23 freezer
24 sidra
25 c17
26 koichianator
27 gohan
28 pirina
29 saonel
30 piccolo
Initial Jiren is stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu.
No, he was not.
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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Soldierofficial » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:57 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:50 pm
Soldierofficial wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:02 pm
p-hyvo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:06 am Well well (basing off the anime)

Unknown tier

1 zeno
2 infinite zamasu/universe zamasu
3 daishinkan
4 zeno's guards
5 angels (I put em all in the same group just to not use 12 positions only for them)

Over hakishin tier

6 gogeta
7 broly
8 goku
9 jiren

Hakaishin tier

10 geene
11liquir-arack-iwen
12 vermouth
13 vegeth ft arc/beerus/quitela
14 champa
15 helles/mosco
16 corrupted merged zamasu
17 vegeta
18 toppo
19 kefla

Ssb tier

20 dyspo
21 hit
22 aniraza
23 freezer
24 sidra
25 c17
26 koichianator
27 gohan
28 pirina
29 saonel
30 piccolo
Initial Jiren is stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu.
No, he was not.
Yes, he was.

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:01 pm

Soldierofficial wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:57 pm
ZombieVito wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:50 pm
Soldierofficial wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:02 pm

Initial Jiren is stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu.
No, he was not.
Yes, he was.
No. Shin is just saying Jiren Ki is different than others because it's simple. Nowhere is it said it is stronger than Zamasu in E110.

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:15 am

Koitsukai wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:12 am 1- Zen O
2- Daishinkan
3- Zarama?
4- unknown fighter
5- unknown fighter 2
6- unknown fighter 3
7- Angels
8- Goku
9- Vegito/Gogeta
10- Jiren
11- Broly
12- The 12 Hakaishin
13- Vegeta
14- Hakaishin Toppo
15- Kefla
16- Merged Zamasu
17- Freeza
18- Goku Black
19- Hit
20- Aniraza
21- 17
22- Gohan
23- Future Trunks
24- Dyspo
25- Koichiarator
26- Kale
27- Majikayo
28- Obuni
29- Caulifla
30- Frost
I think this is a great list, however I think you lowballed Hit a lot. By the tournament of power Hit shows power comparable to Goku SSJ BlueKKx20 in his fight against Jiren. Also not that I disagree but would Kefla be weaker than God Toppo? I can see that but I don't know I think I would rank both Vegeta and Toppo below her due to her fighting Goku Omen. Aside from that pretty accurate

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:04 am

I'd write up a joke list including the likes of Mr. Satan, Monaka, Yamcha, the Oracle Fish, Puar, the farmer, and Mr. Popo, but I'm too lazy.
Cool stuff that I upload here because Youtube will copyright claim it: https://vimeo.com/user60967147

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Koitsukai » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:12 am

Mad Swami wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:15 am
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:12 am 1- Zen O
2- Daishinkan
3- Zarama?
4- unknown fighter
5- unknown fighter 2
6- unknown fighter 3
7- Angels
8- Goku
9- Vegito/Gogeta
10- Jiren
11- Broly
12- The 12 Hakaishin
13- Vegeta
14- Hakaishin Toppo
15- Kefla
16- Merged Zamasu
17- Freeza
18- Goku Black
19- Hit
20- Aniraza
21- 17
22- Gohan
23- Future Trunks
24- Dyspo
25- Koichiarator
26- Kale
27- Majikayo
28- Obuni
29- Caulifla
30- Frost
I think this is a great list, however I think you lowballed Hit a lot. By the tournament of power Hit shows power comparable to Goku SSJ BlueKKx20 in his fight against Jiren. Also not that I disagree but would Kefla be weaker than God Toppo? I can see that but I don't know I think I would rank both Vegeta and Toppo below her due to her fighting Goku Omen. Aside from that pretty accurate
I don't know about Hit, while Jiren had to struggle a bit, it wasn't really because of how strong Hit was but the time cage, because not even with the time skip he could land a hit and was going down soon. Without the time on his side he performs like against regular speed Dyspo, who wasn't a match for Golden Freeza. This isn't to say that Goku can take Hit without SSBKx20, Hit can punch much above his weight but in raw power I don't have him that high.

I think Kefla is still behind from already GoD(low) tier like Hakaishin Toppo and SSBE Vegeta. While by the end her ultimate attack became a serious threat(mostly because of how Goku was doing), during the whole fight she was seriously outclassed and out of her depth. I believe Toppo becoming a hakaishin weighs more

Now that I see the list, I would put Frost above Caulifla.

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:13 am

Koitsukai wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:12 am
Mad Swami wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:15 am
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:12 am 1- Zen O
2- Daishinkan
3- Zarama?
4- unknown fighter
5- unknown fighter 2
6- unknown fighter 3
7- Angels
8- Goku
9- Vegito/Gogeta
10- Jiren
11- Broly
12- The 12 Hakaishin
13- Vegeta
14- Hakaishin Toppo
15- Kefla
16- Merged Zamasu
17- Freeza
18- Goku Black
19- Hit
20- Aniraza
21- 17
22- Gohan
23- Future Trunks
24- Dyspo
25- Koichiarator
26- Kale
27- Majikayo
28- Obuni
29- Caulifla
30- Frost
I think this is a great list, however I think you lowballed Hit a lot. By the tournament of power Hit shows power comparable to Goku SSJ BlueKKx20 in his fight against Jiren. Also not that I disagree but would Kefla be weaker than God Toppo? I can see that but I don't know I think I would rank both Vegeta and Toppo below her due to her fighting Goku Omen. Aside from that pretty accurate
I don't know about Hit, while Jiren had to struggle a bit, it wasn't really because of how strong Hit was but the time cage, because not even with the time skip he could land a hit and was going down soon. Without the time on his side he performs like against regular speed Dyspo, who wasn't a match for Golden Freeza. This isn't to say that Goku can take Hit without SSBKx20, Hit can punch much above his weight but in raw power I don't have him that high.

I think Kefla is still behind from already GoD(low) tier like Hakaishin Toppo and SSBE Vegeta. While by the end her ultimate attack became a serious threat(mostly because of how Goku was doing), during the whole fight she was seriously outclassed and out of her depth. I believe Toppo becoming a hakaishin weighs more

Now that I see the list, I would put Frost above Caulifla.
fair points

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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by zekken1 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:33 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:12 am
Mad Swami wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:15 am
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:12 am 1- Zen O
2- Daishinkan
3- Zarama?
4- unknown fighter
5- unknown fighter 2
6- unknown fighter 3
7- Angels
8- Goku
9- Vegito/Gogeta
10- Jiren
11- Broly
12- The 12 Hakaishin
13- Vegeta
14- Hakaishin Toppo
15- Kefla
16- Merged Zamasu
17- Freeza
18- Goku Black
19- Hit
20- Aniraza
21- 17
22- Gohan
23- Future Trunks
24- Dyspo
25- Koichiarator
26- Kale
27- Majikayo
28- Obuni
29- Caulifla
30- Frost
I think this is a great list, however I think you lowballed Hit a lot. By the tournament of power Hit shows power comparable to Goku SSJ BlueKKx20 in his fight against Jiren. Also not that I disagree but would Kefla be weaker than God Toppo? I can see that but I don't know I think I would rank both Vegeta and Toppo below her due to her fighting Goku Omen. Aside from that pretty accurate
I don't know about Hit, while Jiren had to struggle a bit, it wasn't really because of how strong Hit was but the time cage, because not even with the time skip he could land a hit and was going down soon. Without the time on his side he performs like against regular speed Dyspo, who wasn't a match for Golden Freeza. This isn't to say that Goku can take Hit without SSBKx20, Hit can punch much above his weight but in raw power I don't have him that high.

I think Kefla is still behind from already GoD(low) tier like Hakaishin Toppo and SSBE Vegeta. While by the end her ultimate attack became a serious threat(mostly because of how Goku was doing), during the whole fight she was seriously outclassed and out of her depth. I believe Toppo becoming a hakaishin weighs more

Now that I see the list, I would put Frost above Caulifla.
Hi first post on the Forum:)

The point of Kefla being weaker than Toppo is really wrong. I'll explain;
First Destroyer Toppo lost to SSBE Vegeta, so SSBE Vegeta>Destroyer Toppo confirmed.
Second how strong is SSBE Vegeta in relation to others? Well DBS Director Ishitani said this "Vegeta’s evolved version of Blue is an anime original. Like you said, that form is the result of him mastering his strength in a different way than Goku. Strength-wise please think of it as about the same as Goku’s Blue Kaio-Ken." https://comicbook.com/anime/2020/01/14/ ... o-onikuma/
So currently for all intents and purposes SSBE Vegeta=SSBK Goku.
Thirdly Kefla took out SSBK Goku with one kick, think about it one kick. AS LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN 1. Not even 2 which she did later. So yeah, LSS1 Kefla>Destroyer Toppo and LSS2 Kefla>>>Destroyer Toppo
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Re: Top 30 (anime only)

Post by Koitsukai » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:53 pm

zekken1 wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:33 pm
Koitsukai wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:12 am
Mad Swami wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:15 am

I think this is a great list, however I think you lowballed Hit a lot. By the tournament of power Hit shows power comparable to Goku SSJ BlueKKx20 in his fight against Jiren. Also not that I disagree but would Kefla be weaker than God Toppo? I can see that but I don't know I think I would rank both Vegeta and Toppo below her due to her fighting Goku Omen. Aside from that pretty accurate
I don't know about Hit, while Jiren had to struggle a bit, it wasn't really because of how strong Hit was but the time cage, because not even with the time skip he could land a hit and was going down soon. Without the time on his side he performs like against regular speed Dyspo, who wasn't a match for Golden Freeza. This isn't to say that Goku can take Hit without SSBKx20, Hit can punch much above his weight but in raw power I don't have him that high.

I think Kefla is still behind from already GoD(low) tier like Hakaishin Toppo and SSBE Vegeta. While by the end her ultimate attack became a serious threat(mostly because of how Goku was doing), during the whole fight she was seriously outclassed and out of her depth. I believe Toppo becoming a hakaishin weighs more

Now that I see the list, I would put Frost above Caulifla.
Hi first post on the Forum:)

The point of Kefla being weaker than Toppo is really wrong. I'll explain;
First Destroyer Toppo lost to SSBE Vegeta, so SSBE Vegeta>Destroyer Toppo confirmed.
Second how strong is SSBE Vegeta in relation to others? Well DBS Director Ishitani said this "Vegeta’s evolved version of Blue is an anime original. Like you said, that form is the result of him mastering his strength in a different way than Goku. Strength-wise please think of it as about the same as Goku’s Blue Kaio-Ken." https://comicbook.com/anime/2020/01/14/ ... o-onikuma/
So currently for all intents and purposes SSBE Vegeta=SSBK Goku.
Thirdly Kefla took out SSBK Goku with one kick, think about it one kick. AS LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN 1. Not even 2 which she did later. So yeah, LSS1 Kefla>Destroyer Toppo and LSS2 Kefla>>>Destroyer Toppo
Yes, SSBE is introduced as Vegeta's way to catch up with Goku's greatest kaioken. But when he gets the kazoku boost, and stomps Hakaishin Toppo, is clearly above all that and even Jiren comments on it later, after Vegeta was almost depleated post-Final Explosion.
Kefla fought a SSBKK Goku that wasn't fit to fight properly and couldn't sustain the transformation after being Jiren'd, so I can't put much value on how that bout went.

Besides that, I see nothing from Kefla to put her already in the hakaishin tier aside of powering up after easily defeating a tired SSBKK Goku. I mean, I'd consider it if she'd actually gave Omen Goku some trouble.
IMO, it has more value that Toppo was considered a hakaishin and Vegeta trashed him powering up than SS2 Kefla being much stronger than tired-SSBKK Goku.

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