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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by Hulk10 » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:09 pm

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Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:51 pm
That thing wouldnt male sense at all. Ssj4 Is described as a form that brings out every last bit of hidden potential from the Saiyan that uses the form, do a further Evolution Is completely impossible by the official standards
Good point. Its a pity that so many people undervalue the form.
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by theherodjl » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:50 am

p-hyvo wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:51 pm
That thing wouldnt male sense at all. Ssj4 Is described as a form that brings out every last bit of hidden potential from the Saiyan that uses the form, do a further Evolution Is completely impossible by the official standards
SSJ3 was also described as taking a Saiyan to it's limits...yet SSJ4 strolled in and then we also saw an improved version of that in the form of Full Power SSJ4. There's never an absolutely-definitely-indisputably-final form as long as fighters can continue to improve. I imagine that God Ki-Full Power SSJ4 Limits Surpassed Evolution Grade 4 is a possibility so as long as Goku & Vegeta continue to meet opponents who continue to push them.
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:41 am

theherodjl wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:50 am
p-hyvo wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:51 pm
That thing wouldnt male sense at all. Ssj4 Is described as a form that brings out every last bit of hidden potential from the Saiyan that uses the form, do a further Evolution Is completely impossible by the official standards
SSJ3 was also described as taking a Saiyan to it's limits...yet SSJ4 strolled in and then we also saw an improved version of that in the form of Full Power SSJ4. There's never an absolutely-definitely-indisputably-final form as long as fighters can continue to improve. I imagine that God Ki-Full Power SSJ4 Limits Surpassed Evolution Grade 4 is a possibility so as long as Goku & Vegeta continue to meet opponents who continue to push them.
Lets say that ssj3 Is the Canon/Natural limit to the ssj Power, because ssj4 Is more difficult ti obtain and isnt a natural Evolution of ssj3. Just by training, if you are ssj3 youll never tap into ssj4 by yourself
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by theherodjl » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:23 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:41 am
Lets say that ssj3 Is the Canon/Natural limit to the ssj Power, because ssj4 Is more difficult ti obtain and isnt a natural Evolution of ssj3. Just by training, if you are ssj3 youll never tap into ssj4 by yourself
Right. What I'm saying is that SSJ forms don't have a definitive limit because there's always something else to achieve and/or improve upon. A Saiyan with SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3 can never become a SSJ4 without a tail but they can become SSJG/SSJB with enough training as Vegeta demonstrated. Then there's also Trunks having developed a more potent version of SSJ2(manga) as well as a pseudo-SSJB form(anime).

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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by Hulk10 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:31 pm

theherodjl wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:23 pm
p-hyvo wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:41 am
Lets say that ssj3 Is the Canon/Natural limit to the ssj Power, because ssj4 Is more difficult ti obtain and isnt a natural Evolution of ssj3. Just by training, if you are ssj3 youll never tap into ssj4 by yourself
Right. What I'm saying is that SSJ forms don't have a definitive limit because there's always something else to achieve and/or improve upon. A Saiyan with SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3 can never become a SSJ4 without a tail but they can become SSJG/SSJB with enough training as Vegeta demonstrated. Then there's also Trunks having developed a more potent version of SSJ2(manga) as well as a pseudo-SSJB form(anime).
Yeah a tail is necessary to acheive the form naturally. Once you achieve it. Why bother achieving a newer one when you can just train to fully utilize that form since its so powerful.
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by Mad Swami » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:34 am

Super Saiyan 4 has a good sense of finality to it and I think having Super Saiyan 4.5 wouldn't work. Personally I like it as the last form for the heroes(in it's own continuity) Also check out the post I made about it, I'm curious what you guys might think

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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by Hulk10 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:35 am

Mad Swami wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:34 am
Super Saiyan 4 has a good sense of finality to it and I think having Super Saiyan 4.5 wouldn't work. Personally I like it as the last form for the heroes(in it's own continuity) Also check out the post I made about it, I'm curious what you guys might think
What post if I may be so bold as to ask?
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by Psajdak » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:48 pm

Tail or not, and I'm not sure how much they retconned it, but at the time it was first shown, I am quite sure that SS4 really was supposed to be evolution of SS3, with Golden Ozaru being basically Super Saiyan Ozaru, and also basis for SS4.

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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:56 pm

Psajdak wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:48 pm
Tail or not, and I'm not sure how much they retconned it, but at the time it was first shown, I am quite sure that SS4 really was supposed to be evolution of SS3, with Golden Ozaru being basically Super Saiyan Ozaru, and also basis for SS4.
Hmm interesting hypothesis.
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