Super Saiyan 4 Evolution
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Super Saiyan 4 Evolution
I wish they would create a new evolved form for Super Saiyan 4. Like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution. I'd like to believe that SSJ4 is unequaled but I am not so sure that that is true. And thus it should have an advanced level too.
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution
I'm still a fan of Super Saiyan Primal, which someone coined over in on the DBS boards. The fact that Saiyans evolve based on different stimuli is fascinating to me. I'd rather they go more into that and have different offshoots of existing forms. Primal could be the next step of the Oozaru form, after Broly's Ikari and could be only something that he gets. He'd be a SSJ4 in design but it would be a whole other evolution in Super.
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution
first, I'd like they would explain SS4 Gogeta's colors.
That said,m we need Heroes to introduce SS4 with God Ki and SS4 in Ultra Instinct
That said,m we need Heroes to introduce SS4 with God Ki and SS4 in Ultra Instinct
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But would it be a Super Saiyan transformation? No I don't think so. For a proper induction it would need to be a Super Saiyan form like Super Saiyan 4. Just checked out design ideas for Super Saiyan Primal and I am not a fan. Super Saiyan 4 does still exist whether or not GT is part of the main storyline. And no its not really at all the same or even very closely similar. The only similarity it has is having the power of a Great Ape in human form. Otherwise its totally different. Super Saiyan 4 has the power of a Great Ape, but also that of a Super Saiyan and doesn't cause the user to go berserk. And the form has a tail. Ergo it has so little in common as to be totally different.BWri wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:26 amI'm still a fan of Super Saiyan Primal, which someone coined over in on the DBS boards. The fact that Saiyans evolve based on different stimuli is fascinating to me. I'd rather they go more into that and have different offshoots of existing forms. Primal could be the next step of the Oozaru form, after Broly's Ikari and could be only something that he gets. He'd be a SSJ4 in design but it would be a whole other evolution in Super.
Good points.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 am first, I'd like they would explain SS4 Gogeta's colors.
That said,m we need Heroes to introduce SS4 with God Ki and SS4 in Ultra Instinct
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Sort of yeah. Vegeta's looks more like a evil power-up but very similar to the idea I had in mind. A pity that that's fan art.
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This is from Dragon Ball New Age, I'm pretty sure there's a topic about it in Fan Works.
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I noticed. I found the work on deviantart. Good content that user has. But I wish that Toei, Toriyama and Toyotaro would adopt the form and give it an evolved one.
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SS4 is fine the way it is. If a hypothetical SS4 Evolved would be anything like SSBE or what I like to call Bluer, there would barely be a difference.
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What do you mean? Do you mean powerwise? Do you feel that SS4 is weaker than SSB?
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Explaining SS4 Gogeta's colors is like them trying to explain why SSGSS is blue or Goku Black's hair is pink, there is nothing logical about it and it's only due to aesthetics. Personally I would prefer if they never explained it since it's such a trivial detail. An explanation would only make things more convoluted.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 am first, I'd like they would explain SS4 Gogeta's colors.
That said,m we need Heroes to introduce SS4 with God Ki and SS4 in Ultra Instinct
Before they get to SSGSS4, they will need to do 2-3. Going straight to 4 would be overkill.
Also UI SS4 doesn't need a drastic aesthetic change either. It can just be SS4 with auto-dodge, since UI doesn't require that there be a transformation.
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Ah I see. And yeah your probably right. Though I do like the design.
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Re: Super Saiyan 4 Evolution
Rosé HAS been explained. It's God Soul's God Ki+Super Saiyan.Rakurai wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:53 pmExplaining SS4 Gogeta's colors is like them trying to explain why SSGSS is blue or Goku Black's hair is pink, there is nothing logical about it and it's only due to aesthetics.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 am first, I'd like they would explain SS4 Gogeta's colors.
That said,m we need Heroes to introduce SS4 with God Ki and SS4 in Ultra Instinct
(Or just Zamasu's preference.)
Blue doesn't need explanation more than regular SS.
But Gogeta sports completely different colors compared to ALL the other SS4s, Vegetto:Xeno included!
It really needs an explanation, even just "Gogeta did feel like to be that color"(because, seriously, he's that strong it's a good enough explanation)
[headcanon always been him overflowing with Positive Energy]
Not really: SS4 isn't in the same transformation tree as SS2 and 3.Before they get to SSGSS4, they will need to do 2-3. Going straight to 4 would be overkill.
And SS2-3 are "just" forcing a greater output from the SS transformation, which nowaday is a obsolete system to get more power.
SS4 otherwise is a completely different thing.
it's basically the "Ultimate Mortal Saiyan Form", putting together Ozaru, Super Saiyan and Control.
Stacking God Ki on it... yeah, it would likely be game-breaking lol.
Eh, it kinda does.Also UI SS4 doesn't need a drastic aesthetic change either. It can just be SS4 with auto-dodge, since UI doesn't require that there be a transformation.
At the very least, it CAUSES a transformation, most likely because the transformation-prone Saiyan genes.
Stacking it over SS4 might well cause a very limited transformation, like just a change of shading though.
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UI SS4 would likely have silver hair and fur.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:13 pmRosé HAS been explained. It's God Soul's God Ki+Super Saiyan.Rakurai wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:53 pmExplaining SS4 Gogeta's colors is like them trying to explain why SSGSS is blue or Goku Black's hair is pink, there is nothing logical about it and it's only due to aesthetics.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 am first, I'd like they would explain SS4 Gogeta's colors.
That said,m we need Heroes to introduce SS4 with God Ki and SS4 in Ultra Instinct
(Or just Zamasu's preference.)
Blue doesn't need explanation more than regular SS.
But Gogeta sports completely different colors compared to ALL the other SS4s, Vegetto:Xeno included!
It really needs an explanation, even just "Gogeta did feel like to be that color"(because, seriously, he's that strong it's a good enough explanation)
[headcanon always been him overflowing with Positive Energy]
Not really: SS4 isn't in the same transformation tree as SS2 and 3.Before they get to SSGSS4, they will need to do 2-3. Going straight to 4 would be overkill.
And SS2-3 are "just" forcing a greater output from the SS transformation, which nowaday is a obsolete system to get more power.
SS4 otherwise is a completely different thing.
it's basically the "Ultimate Mortal Saiyan Form", putting together Ozaru, Super Saiyan and Control.
Stacking God Ki on it... yeah, it would likely be game-breaking lol.
Eh, it kinda does.Also UI SS4 doesn't need a drastic aesthetic change either. It can just be SS4 with auto-dodge, since UI doesn't require that there be a transformation.
At the very least, it CAUSES a transformation, most likely because the transformation-prone Saiyan genes.
Stacking it over SS4 might well cause a very limited transformation, like just a change of shading though.
"We became like friends, we became like good friends." Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about his fur pelt.
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The pink and blue colors make zero sense even given their explanations, given their precedent colors. That's what I meant when I said trying to explain Gogeta's red hair color would be meaningless and convoluted in-universe.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:13 pmRosé HAS been explained. It's God Soul's God Ki+Super Saiyan.Rakurai wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:53 pmExplaining SS4 Gogeta's colors is like them trying to explain why SSGSS is blue or Goku Black's hair is pink, there is nothing logical about it and it's only due to aesthetics.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:39 am first, I'd like they would explain SS4 Gogeta's colors.
That said,m we need Heroes to introduce SS4 with God Ki and SS4 in Ultra Instinct
(Or just Zamasu's preference.)
Blue doesn't need explanation more than regular SS.
But Gogeta sports completely different colors compared to ALL the other SS4s, Vegetto:Xeno included!
It really needs an explanation, even just "Gogeta did feel like to be that color"(because, seriously, he's that strong it's a good enough explanation)
[headcanon always been him overflowing with Positive Energy]
Not really: SS4 isn't in the same transformation tree as SS2 and 3.Before they get to SSGSS4, they will need to do 2-3. Going straight to 4 would be overkill.
And SS2-3 are "just" forcing a greater output from the SS transformation, which nowaday is a obsolete system to get more power.
SS4 otherwise is a completely different thing.
it's basically the "Ultimate Mortal Saiyan Form", putting together Ozaru, Super Saiyan and Control.
Stacking God Ki on it... yeah, it would likely be game-breaking lol.
Eh, it kinda does.Also UI SS4 doesn't need a drastic aesthetic change either. It can just be SS4 with auto-dodge, since UI doesn't require that there be a transformation.
At the very least, it CAUSES a transformation, most likely because the transformation-prone Saiyan genes.
Stacking it over SS4 might well cause a very limited transformation, like just a change of shading though.
Funnily enough, this was actually explained in the latest interview with Nakatsuru in GT Comics Vol. 3. The red hair color was just another way of expressing how powerful Gogeta is aside from black while trying to match it with Vegeta's brown hair.
The true Ultra Instinct has never been touted as a transformation, so there doesn't necessarily need to be one. Maybe the eyes will change, but they could keep the same design if they wanted and nothing would be contradicted.
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Good points.Rakurai wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:41 pmThe pink and blue colors make zero sense even given their explanations, given their precedent colors. That's what I meant when I said trying to explain Gogeta's red hair color would be meaningless and convoluted in-universe.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:13 pmRosé HAS been explained. It's God Soul's God Ki+Super Saiyan.
(Or just Zamasu's preference.)
Blue doesn't need explanation more than regular SS.
But Gogeta sports completely different colors compared to ALL the other SS4s, Vegetto:Xeno included!
It really needs an explanation, even just "Gogeta did feel like to be that color"(because, seriously, he's that strong it's a good enough explanation)
[headcanon always been him overflowing with Positive Energy]
Not really: SS4 isn't in the same transformation tree as SS2 and 3.Before they get to SSGSS4, they will need to do 2-3. Going straight to 4 would be overkill.
And SS2-3 are "just" forcing a greater output from the SS transformation, which nowaday is a obsolete system to get more power.
SS4 otherwise is a completely different thing.
it's basically the "Ultimate Mortal Saiyan Form", putting together Ozaru, Super Saiyan and Control.
Stacking God Ki on it... yeah, it would likely be game-breaking lol.
Eh, it kinda does.Also UI SS4 doesn't need a drastic aesthetic change either. It can just be SS4 with auto-dodge, since UI doesn't require that there be a transformation.
At the very least, it CAUSES a transformation, most likely because the transformation-prone Saiyan genes.
Stacking it over SS4 might well cause a very limited transformation, like just a change of shading though.
Funnily enough, this was actually explained in the latest interview with Nakatsuru in GT Comics Vol. 3. The red hair color was just another way of expressing how powerful Gogeta is aside from black while trying to match it with Vegeta's brown hair.
The true Ultra Instinct has never been touted as a transformation, so there doesn't necessarily need to be one. Maybe the eyes will change, but they could keep the same design if they wanted and nothing would be contradicted.
"We became like friends, we became like good friends." Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about his fur pelt.
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Someone added stipulations to the form? I didn't know that. No. I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about the idea of a form that takes Super Saiyan 4 and fits it into the Dragon Ball Super continuity. I don't see Super Saiyan 4 as the next step of the Super Saiyan evolution, so I wouldn't call it Super Saiyan 4. I see it as an offshoot evolution, a branch of the Oozaru form. So I like the idea of it being a form that accesses the more primal aspects of a Saiyan to make them more bestial. I like the idea of all the SS forms having offshot variants.Hulk10 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:05 pmBut would it be a Super Saiyan transformation? No I don't think so. For a proper induction it would need to be a Super Saiyan form like Super Saiyan 4. Just checked out design ideas for Super Saiyan Primal and I am not a fan. Super Saiyan 4 does still exist whether or not GT is part of the main storyline. And no its not really at all the same or even very closely similar. The only similarity it has is having the power of a Great Ape in human form. Otherwise its totally different. Super Saiyan 4 has the power of a Great Ape, but also that of a Super Saiyan and doesn't cause the user to go berserk. And the form has a tail. Ergo it has so little in common as to be totally different.BWri wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:26 amI'm still a fan of Super Saiyan Primal, which someone coined over in on the DBS boards. The fact that Saiyans evolve based on different stimuli is fascinating to me. I'd rather they go more into that and have different offshoots of existing forms. Primal could be the next step of the Oozaru form, after Broly's Ikari and could be only something that he gets. He'd be a SSJ4 in design but it would be a whole other evolution in Super.
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Those stipulations were more my own. And if Super Saiyan 4 is added I want it to be a Super Saiyan form not necessarily the next main Super Saiyan line evolution. Wrathful form isn't a Super Saiyan as far as I know. I don't care if its called something else so long as its otherwise the same.BWri wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:22 amSomeone added stipulations to the form? I didn't know that. No. I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about the idea of a form that takes Super Saiyan 4 and fits it into the Dragon Ball Super continuity. I don't see Super Saiyan 4 as the next step of the Super Saiyan evolution, so I wouldn't call it Super Saiyan 4. I see it as an offshoot evolution, a branch of the Oozaru form. So I like the idea of it being a form that accesses the more primal aspects of a Saiyan to make them more bestial. I like the idea of all the SS forms having offshot variants.Hulk10 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:05 pmBut would it be a Super Saiyan transformation? No I don't think so. For a proper induction it would need to be a Super Saiyan form like Super Saiyan 4. Just checked out design ideas for Super Saiyan Primal and I am not a fan. Super Saiyan 4 does still exist whether or not GT is part of the main storyline. And no its not really at all the same or even very closely similar. The only similarity it has is having the power of a Great Ape in human form. Otherwise its totally different. Super Saiyan 4 has the power of a Great Ape, but also that of a Super Saiyan and doesn't cause the user to go berserk. And the form has a tail. Ergo it has so little in common as to be totally different.BWri wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:26 am
I'm still a fan of Super Saiyan Primal, which someone coined over in on the DBS boards. The fact that Saiyans evolve based on different stimuli is fascinating to me. I'd rather they go more into that and have different offshoots of existing forms. Primal could be the next step of the Oozaru form, after Broly's Ikari and could be only something that he gets. He'd be a SSJ4 in design but it would be a whole other evolution in Super.
"We became like friends, we became like good friends." Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about his fur pelt.
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That thing wouldnt male sense at all. Ssj4 Is described as a form that brings out every last bit of hidden potential from the Saiyan that uses the form, do a further Evolution Is completely impossible by the official standards