Surai wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:43 am
Here you can see some errors they made :
http://jamesanelson45.blogspot.com/2008 ... t.html?m=1
And they’re not the only ones. There’s Ten Shin Han being called "a descendant of aliens", even though nothing in the manga implies this and even Toriyama called him a human in interviews. Or Nappa’s power level being 4000, even though Goku needed Kaioken to take him down because he was too tough (how is it possible if he’s twice as strong as him in his base ?).
It’s not about deciding what is canon or not, this word has a clear definition. Canon = what the creator said and made. It doesn’t only apply to Dragon Ball, it applies to pretty much every work.
Yes, Toriyama himself forgot a lot of stuff and contradicted himself many times, but this is different. He’s the creator, his statements are absolute because he gets to make the rules. It’s his world. If we start questioning him or rejecting his statements, it means we essentially try to appropriate his work, which is not right.
I'm going to go with VegettoEX here. Disagreement with how power levels are supposed to affect a character's performance does not constitute to an error, especially when interpretation of PLs to a character's feats will vary from user to user. Furthermore, that blog post is as VegettoEX says, poorly written, and not even using the original Japanese Daizenshuus as a base. It even claims to use the "French" Daizenshuu to clear it up, which I just showed had an error in translation, so that makes it even less credible. If you want to present an error, present it as your own argument
and pls don't link me somebody else's, that's just sad and poor manners.
Also as VegettoEX said, Tenshinhan is still a human and is presented as one. If Tenshinhan is descended from an alien race, so be it. There is absolutely nothing in the manga that contradicts it and is presented as supplemental information instead. That is not in any way an 'error.'
Do you really want to go here? To begin with, "canon" is not even a proper word, it is a fandom term which stems from the word 'canonical' which does not necessarily mean, to quote you, "what the creator said and made." And it seems that you and I have two different opinions about what constitutes canon and what doesn't. To begin with, in the Japanese side of things the term Shueisha, the official publisher and licensor of DB, typically uses is 正史 which translates to official history
or proper history
. This is as close to 'canon' as one is ever going to get, and therefore what is ultimately decided as canon should be the content creators, i.e. Shueisha and Toriyama and Toyotarou (Toriyama's successor).
For that matter, other side stories or series like GT and SDBH can also be considered to have have their own 'canon' or continuity. When fans say they are not 'canon,' that just simply means they are not part of this official history or main continuity. Shueisha has deemed the DBS manga as the 'canonical sequel' to the original manga by Toriyama
, and therefore it is the
canonical sequel irregardless of the fact that Toriyama didn't come out and say it himself.
Questioning him and rejecting him are two different things. The former does not constitute to appropriating his works. If I point out the inconsistency of his words vs his world, such as Goku probably not ever using SS2-3 again, how does that make me one to appropriate his own works? If he says "Cooler is going to play a huge role in the next film' and I don't believe him until I see the film myself, how does that make me appropriate his own works? Like I said again, Toriyama's word is not even absolute, and although it has greater merit than any other person or publisher, he is not the sole owner of the DB IP anymore. Yes we should put faith in his words, but there is nothing wrong with doubting him based on his past actions and acknowledged amnesia of his own world. If Shueisha or Toyotarou one day came out and said "GT will happen after Super" and Toriyama doesn't say anything about the matter, it is acceptable to assume it to be true until Toriyama comes out and says otherwise. It is also acceptable to be skeptical of or reject the statement because of the contradictions between GT and Super.