What Would It Take For Krillin, Tien, Piccolo, and Yamcha to Catch up to Goku and Vegeta in a Satisfying Way?

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Post by Akyon » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:55 pm

Just make their specialties unique to them and don't give them to Goku and Vegeta. Basically have the saiyans need to rely on them for certain individual skills rather than them being able to cover all bases.

Krillin showed elements of being one of the most astute and ki sensing. Have him outshine Goku in this department and stop him from ever getting snuck up on again.
Through the series he's also been shown to be as good as Goku at Ki control so let him create some really unique attacks with ki manipulation. Kienzan blades that shred into the opponent and then explode, sharpen his blades to make them able to cut at the subatomic level or even create impressive ki constructs.

Tenshinhan's a master of weird and wonderful techniques, have him come up with more and more overblown and ridiculous abilities as he gets stronger that borderline bend reality, time and space.

Yamcha's theme was always the wolf. So make him fast. Make him insanely fast. This shouldn't scale with strength neccesarily like it does with say Frieza, but more in line with Burter's concept. Have him eventually able to pull some Flash/Quick Silver level stuff that has everyone slow down to a stop around him. Would give him a fighting chance at least even if he can't outmuscle his enemies. Goku and Vegeta can still be the next fastest, but it gives him a point.

Piccolo is a Namekian, so let's use his greatest asset here; bring his mystical powers to their logical conclusion. He's also supposed to be really smart so have him outwit and outdo far stronger opponents rather than him trying to outmuscle them like he's a saiyan. It doesn't work and he should know that by this point. In fact he and all of the humans here should really rely on their brains in battle, as their opponents all tend to be absolute overpowered meatheads with a few rare exceptions.

I know he wasn't mentioned in the title but:
Chiaoutzu's telekinesis could be used to screw with the ki flow of stronger fighters. You can't summon the energy to blast out your hands into a powerful blast if it's trying to be redirected through your eardrums for example. He could truly be deadly.
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Post by theherodjl » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:38 am

Akyon wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:55 pm
Just make their specialties unique to them and don't give them to Goku and Vegeta. Basically have the saiyans need to rely on them for certain individual skills rather than them being able to cover all bases.

Krillin showed elements of being one of the most astute and ki sensing. Have him outshine Goku in this department and stop him from ever getting snuck up on again.
Through the series he's also been shown to be as good as Goku at Ki control so let him create some really unique attacks with ki manipulation. Kienzan blades that shred into the opponent and then explode, sharpen his blades to make them able to cut at the subatomic level or even create impressive ki constructs.

Tenshinhan's a master of weird and wonderful techniques, have him come up with more and more overblown and ridiculous abilities as he gets stronger that borderline bend reality, time and space.

Yamcha's theme was always the wolf. So make him fast. Make him insanely fast. This shouldn't scale with strength neccesarily like it does with say Frieza, but more in line with Burter's concept. Have him eventually able to pull some Flash/Quick Silver level stuff that has everyone slow down to a stop around him. Would give him a fighting chance at least even if he can't outmuscle his enemies. Goku and Vegeta can still be the next fastest, but it gives him a point.

Piccolo is a Namekian, so let's use his greatest asset here; bring his mystical powers to their logical conclusion. He's also supposed to be really smart so have him outwit and outdo far stronger opponents rather than him trying to outmuscle them like he's a saiyan. It doesn't work and he should know that by this point. In fact he and all of the humans here should really rely on their brains in battle, as their opponents all tend to be absolute overpowered meatheads with a few rare exceptions.

I know he wasn't mentioned in the title but:
Chiaoutzu's telekinesis could be used to screw with the ki flow of stronger fighters. You can't summon the energy to blast out your hands into a powerful blast if it's trying to be redirected through your eardrums for example. He could truly be deadly.
Its a nice idea...but unless these abilities are unique to certain species like with Ten & Piccolo, Goku & Vegeta will probably learn them too and do them better or they'll find an inherently-superior variant.
What the Humans should do is find or develop an powerup that improves the strength & skills of Humans like how the Saiyans did with SSJG, except they can push it further with greater knowledge of transformations & abilities that have been made known to them. It could be a powerup that could be shared among the Humans, as in it could actually be passed around to each other as though it were a jacket that any other Human could put on & take off and then give to another. It would certainly level the playing field.
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Post by Lionel » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:32 am

I've heard the proposal of making the humans and Piccolo into technical specialists who excel and contribute through their unique abilities.

On paper it sounds nice but execution wise - magical fighters, psychic users, technique reliant experts - have consistently been treated as bizarre yet fleeting side shows or over-reliant amateurs who need to shed this "incompetent" handicap and rely on the standardised muscle bound fisticuffs that truly determine what the worth of a fighter is; nevermind that since the Freeza arc this meritocratic ideal has become hypocritically exclusivised for a scarce type of character who just happened to win the genetic lottery. What good are these training montage slogans if you're not allowed to innovate yourself in some way to compensate for the bloated strength amplifier that comes with changing a Saiyan's hair and eye colour?

What's equally discouraging is the reality that anything the humans and Piccolo attempt to hone as their own unique implement, the Saiyans will be contrived to match and surpass in effectiveness that same implement. What we're seeing right now with Vegeta's Spirit Control training is a perfect example of this. I think it's It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips put it, he's being built up at the expense of others. Someone like Tenshinhan or Piccolo can't be written as the superior in any respect because...Goku and Vegeta are the superman of the DB universe and need to demonstrate it by so greatly outshining everyone else? To be fair, Gohan and the other Saiyan hybrids are in a similar situation but that has as much to do with lack of initiative as opportunity or resources.

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Post by Akyon » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:41 pm

theherodjl wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:38 am

Its a nice idea...but unless these abilities are unique to certain species like with Ten & Piccolo, Goku & Vegeta will probably learn them too and do them better or they'll find an inherently-superior variant.
What the Humans should do is find or develop an powerup that improves the strength & skills of Humans like how the Saiyans did with SSJG, except they can push it further with greater knowledge of transformations & abilities that have been made known to them. It could be a powerup that could be shared among the Humans, as in it could actually be passed around to each other as though it were a jacket that any other Human could put on & take off and then give to another. It would certainly level the playing field.
I suppose the one thing the humans do have over other species like the saiyans is their sheer numbers. I guess you could utilise that? Let's expand on your "Jacket" idea, I think it could have legs...err...so to speak.

Remember when Krillin trained in the forest with Goku pre ToP and recieved this (non canon) power up:
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The concept was basically he had perfected control over his mortal ki. Imagine now if on top of his own mortal ki he could summon the energy of other humans into his fists to gain an even bigger power up. Now if this was a racial thing, it'd give the humans a HUGE boost in power, and more importantly it'd be something Goku and Vegeta couldn't crib. Which as Lionel points out is a major pain in the ass for any time the humans try to do anything useful; Goku and Vegeta just do it with more power because of their warrior race genetics.

Gohan and the kids might be able to potentially tap into this too, but the amount of control needed to control that many different human energies could help give the pure blood humans an advantage over the half saiyans or androids in this department, since they're theoretically more in tune with their human ki.

We saw what the people of Earth could do with their energy reserves when Goku and Mr. Satan requested it for the Genki Dama to finish off Buu...if the humans could somehow utilise that energy, at the very least whilst fighting on Earth, it'd give them a huge advantage.
It might be borderline useless in space or other dimensions where humans are lacking, but they could still borrow each others energy providing they're all there.

Just some initial thoughts based off your comment. Getting the old creative juices flowing. Let me know what you think!
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Post by Fionordequester » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:20 pm

Easy. Just have Bulma turn them into Cyborgs, then have them use Kaioken if they're not already doing it (it can be invisible, after all).

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Post by omaro34 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:47 am

for the humans its pretty much a lost cause.

Piccolo is already much stronger than any of the humans. There's the Namekian Book of legends that was mentioned that could be explored further for a potential power up.
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Post by pepd » Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:35 am

To give them enough power-ups to make them relevant, but not feel forced like giving them mastery on every power-up to everyone or invent a legendary super-human. Maybe Potential Unlock + Kaioken + Unique techniques and styles. Make them strong supports and team-fighters but in no way compete with serious Goku or Vegeta.

How powerful would be Kurilin with Potential Unlock + Kaioken + (ui omen OR spirit control) + Intensive training?

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Post by chongjasmine » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:35 am

Seriously, except for Piccolo, who still has a chance, there is almost no way the rest of the characters can keep up with Goku or Vegeta.

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:21 am

Here's a couple ways for Piccolo.

1. Piccolo defuses from Kami, Kami wishes for youth Piccolo trains with Kami in the ROSAT lets say for 2 years and refuses with Kami before leaving.

2. Piccolo revives King Piccolo and fuses with him.

3. Piccolo revives Guru and gets his potential unlocked and fuses with Guru after. Guru could sense from heaven that he has another option to offer but so he goes to Earth for one day and bam.

4. Piccolo either as he is now or after using one of the above two options, has the Old Kai unlock his potential.

Piccolo has so many ways to get to God tier after the TOP arc all it takes is a little creativity. I would love to see a combination of option 1 and 2. Just option 2 would make for great character development.

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Post by Akyon » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:27 am

Fusion is probably the easiest established way for the humans to catch up if it's AxB's power.

Particularly since the trio of girls who were fighting Roshi somehow all fused into one. Krillin x Tenshinhan x Yamcha fusion would probably be relatively impressive.

Alas we probably won't see a non saiyan fusion used for combat purposes ever aside from Piccolo's Namekian fusion.
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:24 am

Akyon wrote:
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Fusion is probably the easiest established way for the humans to catch up if it's AxB's power.

Particularly since the trio of girls who were fighting Roshi somehow all fused into one. Krillin x Tenshinhan x Yamcha fusion would probably be relatively impressive.

Alas we probably won't see a non saiyan fusion used for combat purposes ever aside from Piccolo's Namekian fusion.
One triple fusion comes in Gohan could be useful again as well.

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Post by BWri » Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:07 am

For Piccolo its easy and we all know what it is. Kaioken alone would make him a top tier contender and I'm sure he could evolve it effortlessly.

For the humans, the easiest one is time. Yes time. As there are no hard limitations in Dragon Ball, we've seen time and time again especially in DBS, it stands to reason that someone like Tien will eventually reach immense plateaus of power. I'm mainly referring to afterlife training. I believe that eventually the Saiyans will acquire so much power that eventually growth does diminish and once that happens Tien, the only human who never stops training, could match them ... after several thousand years of training. As these guys are heroes, I'm sure they'll keep their bodies. I think Hit is a good example. His strength seems to be linked with his age and experience, rather than perceived genetic factors. Same could be said for the afterlife fighters Toriyama designed for the afterlife filler arc. There was even a human there that could rival a post Cell games Goku.

As for doing so while alive. There's Dr. Gero's tech. If Bulma researched it, it's likely she could replicate some of the strength boosting effects of. Ssenrof described it rather well. We've also seen it in DBM with Yamcha. I honestly think a Z-fighter base for a human android would be exceptionally powerful. I'm not the biggest fan of this, but I do think it works for Yamcha in a strange way.

What would satisfy me is if the Earthlings were smarter and more resourceful with their training. There's two sources of potential unlocking power-ups for Yamcha, Tien, Roshi, and Chiaotzu from Moori and Elder Kai. They should know of these and actively seek them out. There's continued King Kai training and Kaioken mastery, ki control mastery on Yardrat, gravity chambers, spaceships, sensu beans, RoSaT, & 2 sets of Dragon Balls. I'm not even sure they drank the Super Divine Water (can't remember). All they'd really have to do is take an Earth-bro road trip training throughout the galaxy, similar to what they did back when they set out for Korin's tower. I see why this wouldn't appeal to a family man like Krillin, but why Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, and Puar weren't written out of the show like this instead of squandered, I'll never understand. I'd like the four of them (and maybe Launch) to take Bulma's gravity pod into space and train while they travel, yes even Puar as I'd kill to see a fighter use shapeshifting in combat. They travel to distant worlds, meeting strange races, learning from them on their adventures, and fighting remnants of Frieza's forces and other intergalactic ne'er-do-wells.

Their spaceship training journey would take them eventually to Yardrat, Namek, and eventually Zuno and the galactic patrol. Zuno points them to Merus after Tien asks him if its possible for him to surpass Goku and they join the galactic patrol then Merus becomes their master. From there, they could serve under Merus until Moro happens, then maybe Whis would take an interest in them. They could tap King Kai, Elder Kai, and Supreme Kai for training as well. Roshi too, since he's developing techniques that are at the cusp of god-level.

If you combine everything listed above, there's legitimately nothing limiting the humans from being god-tier other than their personalities, pride, and morals ... and the outside limits of the character writing. If they really wanted to, they could wish Gero back, have him alter them but that's not what they'd do. There's just way too many resources for them to be as weak as they are.

I've also always liked the idea of the humans as glass cannons and "mystic mages", especially in recent years. So them putting a ton of power into techniques and amplifying that instead of their full bodies also seems like a fantastic and satisfying idea. I think they should be dirty and pragmatic fighters, ganging up on enemies with confusing, tricky, and disturbingly powerful techniques, instead of brute force like the other races.
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Post by Demon Prince Piccolo » Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:30 am

It would be neat if there was some ancient, untapped Earthling lore (similar more or less to those of the Legendary Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan God, but for humans instead). Not necessarily a transformation, but some sort of ancient power-up achieved through a certain type/level of training as well as a state of mind/emotion (instead of rage, like with Super Saiyan, it's one based on love, which as cheesy as it may sound, is an incredibly powerful emotion). And no, I'm not thinking Ultra Instinct, either. I'm thinking more of an opposite of Ultra Instinct. This "form" would require extreme focus and discipline in regard to technique/martial arts, but rather than being strenuous it's more like being completely in tune and acutely aware of one's surroundings. It's not a fully formed idea, but something along those lines is what I think could work.
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Post by Seekeroftruth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:28 pm

All of them turn themselves into Androids and rely on human ingenuity to become stronger. If Gero could make two teenagers stronger than SSJ and give them the potential to increase their strength to SSB with training then expert martial art experts like tien, krillin, yamcha would be able to make even greater strides if they were turned into androids. We are talking matching goku at SSB x kaioken levels here.

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It would be neat if there was some ancient, untapped Earthling lore (similar more or less to those of the Legendary Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan God, but for humans instead). Not necessarily a transformation, but some sort of ancient power-up achieved through a certain type/level of training as well as a state of mind/emotion (instead of rage, like with Super Saiyan, it's one based on love, which as cheesy as it may sound, is an incredibly powerful emotion). And no, I'm not thinking Ultra Instinct, either. I'm thinking more of an opposite of Ultra Instinct. This "form" would require extreme focus and discipline in regard to technique/martial arts, but rather than being strenuous it's more like being completely in tune and acutely aware of one's surroundings. It's not a fully formed idea, but something along those lines is what I think could work.
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Your idea is interesting, though I was under the impression that Ribrianne and her trio. Along with the other trio of U2guys were able to use the abilities they did (Formation transformation, heart shaped ki blast attacks, etc) due to them using or having the state of mind/emotion for love. I even remember Goku saying something to Ribrianne about being impressed by her power of love, but that he uses anger/rage instead or something along those lines in the anime.

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Post by Cursed Lemon » Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:54 pm

The answer is simple.

LORE.

Saiyans have tons of lore. Hell, half-saiyans have lore - Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are all described as prodigies specifically because of their mixed blood. Give humans special innate fighting characteristics and focus on them. Build human bad guys. Explore human fighter history. That automatically gives you something to work with.
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Post by Demon Prince Piccolo » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:13 am

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Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:14 am
Demon Prince Piccolo wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:30 am
It would be neat if there was some ancient, untapped Earthling lore (similar more or less to those of the Legendary Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan God, but for humans instead). Not necessarily a transformation, but some sort of ancient power-up achieved through a certain type/level of training as well as a state of mind/emotion (instead of rage, like with Super Saiyan, it's one based on love, which as cheesy as it may sound, is an incredibly powerful emotion). And no, I'm not thinking Ultra Instinct, either. I'm thinking more of an opposite of Ultra Instinct. This "form" would require extreme focus and discipline in regard to technique/martial arts, but rather than being strenuous it's more like being completely in tune and acutely aware of one's surroundings. It's not a fully formed idea, but something along those lines is what I think could work.
Let's call it the "Avatar state"....just messing around.
Your idea is interesting, though I was under the impression that Ribrianne and her trio. Along with the other trio of U2guys were able to use the abilities they did (Formation transformation, heart shaped ki blast attacks, etc) due to them using or having the state of mind/emotion for love. I even remember Goku saying something to Ribrianne about being impressed by her power of love, but that he uses anger/rage instead or something along those lines in the anime.
Exactly! I didn't even think of that. Of course, I'd want the technique/movesets more streamlined to fit with the human's personalities, but yes.
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Post by Demon Prince Piccolo » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:16 am

Cursed Lemon wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:54 pm
The answer is simple.

LORE.

Saiyans have tons of lore. Hell, half-saiyans have lore - Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are all described as prodigies specifically because of their mixed blood. Give humans special innate fighting characteristics and focus on them. Build human bad guys. Explore human fighter history. That automatically gives you something to work with.
This. That's what I was getting at too. There's tons of more for Saiyans, Namekians, heck androids, Kais, demons, etc., but barely any for humans. The ball is in the writers' court.
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I actually prefer the Goku vs Tenshinhan and Goku vs Piccolo Jr. rivalries to the Goku vs Vegeta rivalry.

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Post by TobyS » Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:40 am

Piccolo should just be allowed to get Godly.

As for the humans, unless they go fully into Tens alien ancestry then the only way is if they get androided. Perhaps by someone even smarter than Gero.

Now at least Ten but probably all 4 would be too proud. So my answer is that you have them abducted and have it done against their will by someone like Towa.

Have their memories taken away temporarily and fight their own friends who can't or don't want to hurt them. Tonnes of pathos.

And after tasting relavence they probably wouldn't go so far as to undo it, or have shenlong say he can't.

And/or fusions and kaiokens on too of potential unleashed or android shit. I thought we might have got Yamhan a few chapters back but alas.
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Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:55 pm

Kaioken, androids, fusion and finally unlock potential should get the humans relevant.

For Piccolo fusion could do it. He could fuse with a revived Guru or an ancient namekian to boost himself.

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