Tai Lung wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:14 pm
it is the calculation that gives which is a fact ... it is speculative to say that the wear is significant in the comparison as you want to argue and since goku did not take long to use his technique it is very unlikely
conveniently you don't include to frost with his poison or the hit fight in the comparison that are more battles and more fatigue
The KKx3 was stated to destroy Goku's body, that is a fact.
Your calculation would be a fact if Goku had still 8000+ power, in which case his KKx4 would've had 32,000 of power in which case it still would be < 2x the power of Vegeta which is VEEEEERY far from Hit tanking 10x SSJB Goku blows when SSJB Goku was already at the same level than Hit.
Tai Lung wrote:
no, you speculates ... anyone can hold back but only someone who has advanced ki control can reduce their power triple or quadruple for something they trusted so much on scouters
first raditz says he is determined to kill them so there is little point in holding back
To make matters worse ... Raditz says he is going to fight seriously
Raditz surprised that they can manipulate his power at that level ... which makes it quite clear that he cannot do that.
"it's you against the manga"
That's not a good translation on what's said in that battle (at least not if you take it as Raditz going all out), this is the more accurate translation given in this page:
Chapter: 199 (DBZ 5), P14.1-5
Raditz: “But it’s just a matter of time before you die…I’ll be slowly making my attacks stronger.”
Piccolo: “To think that our levels would be so different…!
Raditz: “The other two Saiyan survivors besides me…Have battle powers higher than mine.”
In other words, Raditz was pulling back the strength of his punches to not kill Goku and Piccolo on the spot (something the baddies in DB enjoyed a lot to do).
He is not controlling his Ki, but come on, are you telling me that you wouldn't be able to play with a little kid without harming him? You can't move your arm at 1/10th it's maximum speed? Are you telling me Raditz couldn't do something anyone can do?
Look, he says it directly. He's starting with weak attacks and he is doing it on purpose!
Maybe the problem is in the translation you use to read the source material!
Tai Lung wrote:
"It's incredible how you can make rules out of completely self-made assumptions in the same way you disregard anything from the manga that doesn't fit your narrative."
that's what you do ...
in the manga, goku remains immobile when they hold his tail and How it changes some, that newly transformed if the weakness continues as humanoid or oozaru
the only thing that can be consistent is that vegeta was not strong enough to hold his tail
Are you seriously arguing that Vegeta wasn't grabbing Gohan by his tail when Gohan hit him, when it's absolutely drawn in the manga, just because when Goku was grabbed by the tail he couldn't move?
I mean, think about it for a second.
After seeing this images, you're telling me that Vegeta wasn't grabbing Gohan by his tail when he was hit, and that Gohan at that point already had the 10x boost of the Oozaru form?
I mean, firstly, the fact that Goku couldn't even move AFTER having transformed should indicate that Gohan's hit couldn't be very strong.
Secondly, you can't say that what happened in the manga didn't happen just because in a different occasion, a different character reacted differently.
Tai Lung wrote:
how to send a rabbit to the moon o Mr satan thrown towards a rock several meters high
1. A human in DB surviving a various meters high fall is not unseen. Satan could do it.
2. When Satan survived Cell's attack, IT WAS EXPLICITLY STATED that Cell didn't kill him on purpose. In other words, thanks for giving me an example that even when making a gag, Toriyama also respected the power levels.
Tai Lung wrote:
lol it's like I told you not to complain because you are not right ...
I repeat, you have no evidence or proof of what you claim is debatable with characters like super buu or mr buu but kid buu was described as a non-thinking being dedicated to sowing destruction in the universe.
when he appeared he was not interested in playing with goku or vegeta just destroying the earth and for some reason they decided to fight on that planet kaioshin because buu had problems controlling himself.
I do not invent anything ... everything is in the manga
your only argument is Mr satan which is really a joke to use it as an argument
You're doing the same than when you argued that Vegeta wasn't grabbing Gohan's tail even when it's clearly drawn.
You are arguing that Kid Bu didn't control the strength of his hits, even when:
1. He doesn't 1-hit kill base Vegeta despite the huge difference of strength, and he starts beating him wihtout killing him.
2. He doesn't 1-hit kill Satan TWICE. Satan, that was a regular human being. TWICE.
Kid Bu enjoyed more than any other Bu in torturing his victims. He FORGOT ABOUT THE GENKIDAMA because he started to play with Vegeta. That's the vey definition of being an unthinking being, dedicated to evil and destruction:
He priroritized having fun torturing Vegeta than his own self-being.
Kid Bu fights against Goku, Vegeta, Mr Boo & Satan. Of 4 fights he had, he clearly pulled back the strength of his attacks in 3 of them or are you telling me that Kid Bu beating Vegeta was also a gag?
Or when he tortured Mr. Boo instead of dealing the fatal blow?
Everything is a gag?
MechaTrunks wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:52 am
the fight would have ended in a draw in the anime because hit was not going to hold any more either
lol follow your own advice because none of your excuses is true
When is that screengrab from, and are you aware that Goku's body already started to collapse before he retired and that he completely collapsed just a second after the fact?
Hit may had been tired, but nothing compared to what Goku was going through.