Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

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Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by pepd » Fri May 29, 2020 1:40 pm

I reread the manga recently and, if I understood correctly, it is implied that when Goku drank the Ultra Divine Water, he unlocked the Ōzaru power in base. So, do you think it was just his Ōzaru power at the time? Or is he currently always as strong as if he was in Ōzaru while in base? -The latter is now part of my headcanon-
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Re: Is base Goku always Ōzaru?

Post by theherodjl » Fri May 29, 2020 2:28 pm

The Daizenshuu power levels lists Goku at 180 prior to drinking the actual Divine Water and then 260 afterwards. Goku didn't even double in strength so he definitely wasn't anywhere close to his Oozaru level.
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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat May 30, 2020 2:05 am

I think only Broly can use Oozaru power in base form.
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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat May 30, 2020 8:51 am

I think the intention was that, but after they introduced power levels and multipliers, the idea was discarded. But even Dragon Ball Evolution movie works with it, so yeah. This is what was implied.

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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by pepd » Sat May 30, 2020 7:30 pm

Hugo Boss wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 8:51 am I think the intention was that, but after they introduced power levels and multipliers, the idea was discarded.
Wouldn't still work? it's not that he is in Ōzaru form, it's that the Ōzaru potential power passed down to the base form, he could still go SSJ over it.
Unless, of course, you are referring to the power-levels and multipliers from guides and other sources that directly contradict this.

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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by Mad Swami » Sat May 30, 2020 11:35 pm

pepd wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 7:30 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 8:51 am I think the intention was that, but after they introduced power levels and multipliers, the idea was discarded.
Wouldn't still work? it's not that he is in Ōzaru form, it's that the Ōzaru potential power passed down to the base form, he could still go SSJ over it.
Unless, of course, you are referring to the power-levels and multipliers from guides and other sources that directly contradict this.
It's the latter. As stated earlier after consuming the ultra divine water Goku only added 80 to his power level, not a propper multiplication. Oozaru is x10 not plus 80. The closest thing I see to this theory is that Goku used Oozaru's power in base when he defeated King Piccolo which is why the Oozaru appears behind him during the iconic scene.

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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by Mad Swami » Sun May 31, 2020 12:00 am

Mad Swami wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 11:35 pm
pepd wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 7:30 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Sat May 30, 2020 8:51 am I think the intention was that, but after they introduced power levels and multipliers, the idea was discarded.
Wouldn't still work? it's not that he is in Ōzaru form, it's that the Ōzaru potential power passed down to the base form, he could still go SSJ over it.
Unless, of course, you are referring to the power-levels and multipliers from guides and other sources that directly contradict this.
It's the latter. As stated earlier after consuming the ultra divine water Goku only added 80 to his power level, not a propper multiplication. Oozaru is x10 not plus 80. The closest thing I see to this theory is that Goku used Oozaru's power in base when he defeated King Piccolo which is why the Oozaru appears behind him during the iconic scene.
In fact, to add to my point, I think maybe the point of the ultra divine water is that is wasn't what truly unlocked that power. It was a similar to a placebo. It helped and drew out some of the power but not the full thing. However in the climactic battle, when Goku needed that power he was able to draw it out and defeat King Piccolo. At least he used it for one move, whether or not he has it for the rest of the series is up in the air. I'd assume not but hey maybe I'm wrong. I am not against it necessarily, I just think also Vegeta has it too. However, the major hole in the theory is the Broly movie. Paragus made a big deal about that ability and therefore so was Toriyama. They were showing something new. If Goku had already accomplished something similar and better due to his mental state, they would have addressed it.

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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by Akira » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:14 am

Karin said that everyone else who had drank the water died from it. Yajerobi tried just a drop and it almost killed him. Goku writhed in agony and it very nearly killed him. What transpired, even though it wasn't known yet at that point in the story, is that Goku had a near death experience, and therefore received a saiyan zenkai boost from recovering from near death. The Oozaru appearing behind him during his monkeyfist/dragonfist attack was symbolic of his latent power coming out in the attack. There isn't much more to read into it beyond that.
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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by TobyS » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:36 am

Akira wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:14 am Karin said that everyone else who had drank the water died from it. Yajerobi tried just a drop and it almost killed him. Goku writhed in agony and it very nearly killed him. What transpired, even though it wasn't known yet at that point in the story, is that Goku had a near death experience, and therefore received a saiyan zenkai boost from recovering from near death. The Oozaru appearing behind him during his monkeyfist/dragonfist attack was symbolic of his latent power coming out in the attack. There isn't much more to read into it beyond that.
I mean he got a zenkai AS WELL sure.

But I think it'd power up regular people if they were to survive it, otherwise how would it's alledged abilities come to be known, just waiting for an alien to come and drink it, Goku could have used any household poisons lol.
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Re: Is base Goku always with Ōzaru power after UDivineWater?

Post by nickzambuto » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:58 am

It is stated that if you can survive the water it would bring out all the latent potential in your body. Karin explains that this is the point of the magic water and the guidebooks support this. There’s no reason to believe the water would work differently with saiyans, it is magic and simply meant to bring out the latent power in whoever drinks it.

Goku’s latent power was literally his Oozaru form. That was the power he had inside him, but could only access sometimes. Not only does the Oozaru appear behind him when he kills Piccolo, but it also does right after he survives the water.

The implication at the time was that he became as strong as the giant monkey. He then continued training on top of that for the rest of his life. The power levels don’t scale linearly and none of them make sense anyway.

Broly is still special because he achieved this by himself without drinking magic water.

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