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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by LoganForkHands73 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:45 pm

Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:40 pm
I have a theory that perhaps why SSG is similar to Kaioken is because Kaioken is a very watered down god form. Maybe Kais can attune to god ki and in doing so King Kai somewhat made a makeshift god form that is heavily derived from the true god forms. Perhaps when Goku merges Kaioken with the god forms or in the manga uses the principles of it, it's because they are tied together in some way. Not saying Kaioken uses god ki just that maybe it's connected.
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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by TobyS » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:29 pm

Just thought this up.

1.Piccolo has a tiny little vestigial bit of God Ki in him.
How has this ever come in to play?

When Cell 'kills' him he survives unexpectadly.

So Lets say Piccolo is a 500, and Cell is a 1000.
Cell blasts him with an attack with a powerlevel of 502 seemingly plenty enough to kill him.
But Piccolos undetectable god Ki makes him functionally a 505.

2.
Piccolo has become almost relevant again in the Moro arc despite previously showing slowed regular growth since the Cell arc because:
Having been exposed to real god ki fighters it awakened his capacity to expand his own pool of it. This is why he could hurt Moro with a suicide attack (additionally due to being in an enclosed space).

3. All characters, even not using god ki, have their capacity to get stronger increased when being exposed to large ki's or god ki.
It either literally mutates them or just kind gives them a frame of reference for being able to do that.
This explains why characters growth was slow at end of Z but sped up again in Super even w/o god ki (see Piccolos Moro improvement versus post Cell-Buu gap) or even their growth within a same arc.
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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by Mad Swami » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:42 pm

TobyS wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:29 pm
Just thought this up.

1.Piccolo has a tiny little vestigial bit of God Ki in him.
How has this ever come in to play?

When Cell 'kills' him he survives unexpectadly.

So Lets say Piccolo is a 500, and Cell is a 1000.
Cell blasts him with an attack with a powerlevel of 502 seemingly plenty enough to kill him.
But Piccolos undetectable god Ki makes him functionally a 505.

2.
Piccolo has become almost relevant again in the Moro arc despite previously showing slowed regular growth since the Cell arc because:
Having been exposed to real god ki fighters it awakened his capacity to expand his own pool of it. This is why he could hurt Moro with a suicide attack (additionally due to being in an enclosed space).

3. All characters, even not using god ki, have their capacity to get stronger increased when being exposed to large ki's or god ki.
It either literally mutates them or just kind gives them a frame of reference for being able to do that.
This explains why characters growth was slow at end of Z but sped up again in Super even w/o god ki (see Piccolos Moro improvement versus post Cell-Buu gap) or even their growth within a same arc.
Super interesting theory. I think it's a neat idea however I feel his training in the Cell Saga would have made him top 3 as opposed to the 5th strongest if that was the case. However I think it could work.

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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by BWri » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:16 am

TobyS wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:29 pm
Just thought this up.

1.Piccolo has a tiny little vestigial bit of God Ki in him.
How has this ever come in to play?
Good post! Nobody ever comments on how Piccolo is able to gauge the strength of fighters using god ki. I thought it was an error in the anime but he does so in the manga as well. It could be the remnants of some god ki Kami had or he could simply be gauging the differences between the "pressures" he is feeling. It could even indicate his strength level, as the anime has shown us that fighters like Frieza and maybe even Vegeta were able to sense god ki despite not having any at the time they first sensed it. It's interesting to think about.
It's funny, he can sense SSB ki in the manga but not UI Omen.
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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by Melee_Sovereign » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:11 pm

TobyS wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:34 pm
Melee_Sovereign wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:34 pm
I had this headcanon before Goku Black's identity was revealed, but now it's pretty much defunct.

I initially had this idea that Goku Black was the result of Zamasu traveling back in time and giving Goku the Heart Virus. Upon Goku's death, the virus enters a special 20-year incubation process that will eventually resurrect him as Goku Black.
It's a cool idea but 20 years is too long, plus it'd mean there's a black in cells timeline but with no zamasu to pick him up (unless it's unseen zamasu)
Shouldn't there be a Black in Cell's timeline though?

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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by TobyS » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:34 pm

Melee_Sovereign wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:11 pm
TobyS wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:34 pm
Melee_Sovereign wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:34 pm
I had this headcanon before Goku Black's identity was revealed, but now it's pretty much defunct.

I initially had this idea that Goku Black was the result of Zamasu traveling back in time and giving Goku the Heart Virus. Upon Goku's death, the virus enters a special 20-year incubation process that will eventually resurrect him as Goku Black.
It's a cool idea but 20 years is too long, plus it'd mean there's a black in cells timeline but with no zamasu to pick him up (unless it's unseen zamasu)
Shouldn't there be a Black in Cell's timeline though?
It depends, isn't the unseen timeline to Cells timeline as the main is to Trunks timeline?

So it entirely depends on how strong they got in the alt timeline how the buu/beerus fights went, if there was a U6 Tournament or not and if anyone was close to as strong as Blue to piss off the Zamasu who watched the footage on godtube enough to steal Monaka and then Goku's bodies.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by Melee_Sovereign » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm

Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:40 pm
I have a theory that perhaps why SSG is similar to Kaioken is because Kaioken is a very watered down god form. Maybe Kais can attune to god ki and in doing so King Kai somewhat made a makeshift god form that is heavily derived from the true god forms. Perhaps when Goku merges Kaioken with the god forms or in the manga uses the principles of it, it's because they are tied together in some way. Not saying Kaioken uses god ki just that maybe it's connected.
I like this a lot.

On a side note, I'd like to see Kaioken combined with Super Saiyan God.

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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by Mad Swami » Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:18 pm

Melee_Sovereign wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm
Mad Swami wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:40 pm
I have a theory that perhaps why SSG is similar to Kaioken is because Kaioken is a very watered down god form. Maybe Kais can attune to god ki and in doing so King Kai somewhat made a makeshift god form that is heavily derived from the true god forms. Perhaps when Goku merges Kaioken with the god forms or in the manga uses the principles of it, it's because they are tied together in some way. Not saying Kaioken uses god ki just that maybe it's connected.
I like this a lot.

On a side note, I'd like to see Kaioken combined with Super Saiyan God.
That could be cool. I imagine it would somewhat look like SSJ4 Gogeta with Kaioken.

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Re: Deploy the Headcanon!

Post by TobyS » Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:14 pm

new:

1. Zamasu states none of the other parallel worlds (timelines) were as strong as "Your [Blacks] world".
We already know Goku and co are dead in Cells TL.
We don't know if a Goku Co. exist in U12 guys, but if they do both them and the Dragon team in the Unseen timeline are weaker than the main timeline.

So headcanon is that they were never strong enough to piss off Zamasu into becoming black in the unseen and recruiting Cells timelines Zamasu. No godtube footage for him to see probably as well.

If they did kick off they should have won in those two timelines and been attacking the main timeline and the two Trunks timeline by now but they never did, headcanon this is why.

2. Buu leaving the universe for the fight with U6 OR Goku versus Beerus clashing punches, OR Beerus beating on Buu OR some combination of the three was what somehow weakened Moros seal/allowed him to regain power.
This almost certainly didn't happen in the U12 guy, Unseen and Cell, and 2 Trunks- timelines, explaining why Moro hasn't escaped and won there, eventually taking over the Supreme Kai of times place or other timelines including the main one using the time ring. Or pissing of Zeno and having those timelines erased.

3. 21 was never finished in the Buu-less timelines either due to no Buu 'cells' finishing the process.

4. Buu being dead or never born and killing Dabra means Towa doesn't kick off and riot in the other timelines, explaining why only one Towa ever causes shit in any Xeno continuity. She's erased before she can be mad at Trunks and I think they kill Babidi without killing Dabra in the two Trunks timeline.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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