What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
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What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
Does he respect them?
We can see what he thinks of Goku and Gohan. He respects them both as warriors - seeing Gohan as having incredible latent potential. I still don't know what Vegeta thinks of Krillin, Roshi, Yamcha, Tien, and all the human warriors though.
We can see what he thinks of Goku and Gohan. He respects them both as warriors - seeing Gohan as having incredible latent potential. I still don't know what Vegeta thinks of Krillin, Roshi, Yamcha, Tien, and all the human warriors though.
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Re: What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
He has to respect Krillin after everything he saw this man do.
Krillin almost tricked Nappa with the Kienzan and Vegeta picked up on it.
Krillin was the one who held Vegeta's life in his hands at the end and let Vegeta go. Vegeta was crapping his pants at the sight of Krillin in that moment.
Vegeta admitted that Gohan and Krillin were strong allies and I think he was showing Krillin respect when he chose Krillin to mortally wound him for a power boost.
Vegeta respects power more than anything so he gives Krillin decent credit on being one of the strongest in the universe, even if he's not on par with a saiyan, and Vegeta probably throws in a few extra points for bravery and tenacity which he has seen from Krillin. I don't think he respects him as much as he respects Goku or Gohan but there is some respect for Krillin.
Krillin almost tricked Nappa with the Kienzan and Vegeta picked up on it.
Krillin was the one who held Vegeta's life in his hands at the end and let Vegeta go. Vegeta was crapping his pants at the sight of Krillin in that moment.
Vegeta admitted that Gohan and Krillin were strong allies and I think he was showing Krillin respect when he chose Krillin to mortally wound him for a power boost.
Vegeta respects power more than anything so he gives Krillin decent credit on being one of the strongest in the universe, even if he's not on par with a saiyan, and Vegeta probably throws in a few extra points for bravery and tenacity which he has seen from Krillin. I don't think he respects him as much as he respects Goku or Gohan but there is some respect for Krillin.
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Vegeta doesn't seem to care about Yamcha or Tenshinhan at all. Since they're so underpowered compared to him he just doesn't think of them I imagine. It's in the same manner he stopped caring about 18 even though she was the one to beat and humiliate him for the first time after he became Super Saiyan. Even in the Boo arc I don't think Vegeta and 18 even acknowledge each other.
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Manga vegeta has actually matured outside the heat of the battle and is nominally sociable. He greets everyone with a wry smile before the top.
They probably aren't in any WhatsApp meme groups together but he loosely considers Kuririn and the other 3 humans his “friends” or at least “family friends”/“my wife's friends” if he's feeling like his old school tsundere self.
He felt bad about the Namekians in the Moro arc, showing he regrets his past deeds and the same arc specifically had a moment where the exact 6 people he ordered the murder of trusted him with their energy, I'm sure he noticed it.
They probably aren't in any WhatsApp meme groups together but he loosely considers Kuririn and the other 3 humans his “friends” or at least “family friends”/“my wife's friends” if he's feeling like his old school tsundere self.
He felt bad about the Namekians in the Moro arc, showing he regrets his past deeds and the same arc specifically had a moment where the exact 6 people he ordered the murder of trusted him with their energy, I'm sure he noticed it.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.
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I'd be surprised if he didn't hold Kuririn in the highest regard in comparison to all the non-alien combatants, considering what they've been through. Vegeta praised Kuririn's speed and mobility in the Saiyan arc, he stole his Kienzan, Kuririn was the one to fire off the Genkidama and he would have been the one to finish him off with Yajirobe's sword; in the Namek arc, he and Gohan outsmarted him at every turn, Vegeta says both he and Gohan possess tremendous power, and he trusted Kuririn to blast a hole through his chest. As such, he probably holds Kuririn around the same level as Piccolo, which is the highest praise he could give to any non-Saiyan.
As for the other humans, we saw Vegeta respect Kame-sennin in the anime's version of the Tournament of Power, which was probably one of the best and most interesting pieces of character interaction the anime adaptation had to offer. The anime also shows that Yamcha and Tenshinhan both still hold some kind of animosity toward Vegeta (Yamcha was competitive in the baseball episode, and Tenshinhan was the first to suspect Vegeta would turn to Freeza's side in RF), though it seems to be one-sided. I can buy that Tenshinhan never got over his grudge even this far into the series, considering in the original series by the middle of the Cell arc he was still hostile towards Vegeta, but it does seem like Vegeta doesn't think very highly of either of the two.
As for the other humans, we saw Vegeta respect Kame-sennin in the anime's version of the Tournament of Power, which was probably one of the best and most interesting pieces of character interaction the anime adaptation had to offer. The anime also shows that Yamcha and Tenshinhan both still hold some kind of animosity toward Vegeta (Yamcha was competitive in the baseball episode, and Tenshinhan was the first to suspect Vegeta would turn to Freeza's side in RF), though it seems to be one-sided. I can buy that Tenshinhan never got over his grudge even this far into the series, considering in the original series by the middle of the Cell arc he was still hostile towards Vegeta, but it does seem like Vegeta doesn't think very highly of either of the two.
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Re: What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
This is my own opinion but I didn't really like this. Vegeta doesn't need to become an actual hero. He should still be the same guy. He just has a family now and decided that he likes living on Earth, but that doesn't mean he should suddenly care about life and helping random people. Those are obviously admirable traits but I like my Vegeta to be the real Vegeta.TobyS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:13 am Manga vegeta has actually matured outside the heat of the battle and is nominally sociable. He greets everyone with a wry smile before the top.
They probably aren't in any WhatsApp meme groups together but he loosely considers Kuririn and the other 3 humans his “friends” or at least “family friends”/“my wife's friends” if he's feeling like his old school tsundere self.
He felt bad about the Namekians in the Moro arc, showing he regrets his past deeds and the same arc specifically had a moment where the exact 6 people he ordered the murder of trusted him with their energy, I'm sure he noticed it.
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Feeling guilty about genocide is not a massive stretch for a functioning human being to attain. Kind of bare minimum.nickzambuto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:45 pmThis is my own opinion but I didn't really like this. Vegeta doesn't need to become an actual hero. He should still be the same guy. He just has a family now and decided that he likes living on Earth, but that doesn't mean he should suddenly care about life and helping random people. Those are obviously admirable traits but I like my Vegeta to be the real Vegeta.TobyS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:13 am Manga vegeta has actually matured outside the heat of the battle and is nominally sociable. He greets everyone with a wry smile before the top.
They probably aren't in any WhatsApp meme groups together but he loosely considers Kuririn and the other 3 humans his “friends” or at least “family friends”/“my wife's friends” if he's feeling like his old school tsundere self.
He felt bad about the Namekians in the Moro arc, showing he regrets his past deeds and the same arc specifically had a moment where the exact 6 people he ordered the murder of trusted him with their energy, I'm sure he noticed it.
Having a family and living a peaceful life, his whole ideology and lifestyle having been proven to be stupid and shallow and the general mellowing out that comes with age have made him into just about a passable human being.
Your idea of a "real" vegeta is a sociopath into his 50's and makes every other character look shittier for continuing to want to socialise with an unrepentant murderer.
This version of Vegeta is the one Toriyama signs off on, he is the "real" one.
If he was crying about what he had done and gave up fighting and converted to Christianity or something I'd accept they have taken it too far.
But this is bare minimum character growth necessary to be believable and interesting.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.
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Re: What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
Krillin is probably the only one he has any real respect for. He doesn't seem to care enough about Yamcha or Tien to have an opinion of them
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Re: What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
I see what you mean but I don't think it makes sense for Vegeta to become this human. He is still a saiyan. I'm not saying he should be a sociopath, I think Vegeta's characterization has been perfect in the manga except specifically the part about him feeling bad for killing people and trying to atone for it.TobyS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:08 pmFeeling guilty about genocide is not a massive stretch for a functioning human being to attain. Kind of bare minimum.nickzambuto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:45 pmThis is my own opinion but I didn't really like this. Vegeta doesn't need to become an actual hero. He should still be the same guy. He just has a family now and decided that he likes living on Earth, but that doesn't mean he should suddenly care about life and helping random people. Those are obviously admirable traits but I like my Vegeta to be the real Vegeta.TobyS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:13 am Manga vegeta has actually matured outside the heat of the battle and is nominally sociable. He greets everyone with a wry smile before the top.
They probably aren't in any WhatsApp meme groups together but he loosely considers Kuririn and the other 3 humans his “friends” or at least “family friends”/“my wife's friends” if he's feeling like his old school tsundere self.
He felt bad about the Namekians in the Moro arc, showing he regrets his past deeds and the same arc specifically had a moment where the exact 6 people he ordered the murder of trusted him with their energy, I'm sure he noticed it.
Having a family and living a peaceful life, his whole ideology and lifestyle having been proven to be stupid and shallow and the general mellowing out that comes with age have made him into just about a passable human being.
Your idea of a "real" vegeta is a sociopath into his 50's and makes every other character look shittier for continuing to want to socialise with an unrepentant murderer.
This version of Vegeta is the one Toriyama signs off on, he is the "real" one.
If he was crying about what he had done and gave up fighting and converted to Christianity or something I'd accept they have taken it too far.
But this is bare minimum character growth necessary to be believable and interesting.
In the anime he gave the people of Trunks's timeline a capsule of food and supplies, but that was because Bulma told him to. We can have moments like that where Vegeta operates civilly because of Bulma, not really because he cares.
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He went out of his way to save some people in Wrath of the Dragon. I think he just thinks of them as weak.
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Re: What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
Of course, he would probably never admit his respect so easily.nickzambuto wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:28 am He has to respect Krillin after everything he saw this man do.
Krillin almost tricked Nappa with the Kienzan and Vegeta picked up on it.
Krillin was the one who held Vegeta's life in his hands at the end and let Vegeta go. Vegeta was crapping his pants at the sight of Krillin in that moment.
Vegeta admitted that Gohan and Krillin were strong allies and I think he was showing Krillin respect when he chose Krillin to mortally wound him for a power boost.
Vegeta respects power more than anything so he gives Krillin decent credit on being one of the strongest in the universe, even if he's not on par with a saiyan, and Vegeta probably throws in a few extra points for bravery and tenacity which he has seen from Krillin. I don't think he respects him as much as he respects Goku or Gohan but there is some respect for Krillin.
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Re: What does Vegeta think of Krillin and the Humans?
I think he's interacted enough with krillin to respect him, however I think he may be neutral to the others.
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Well he hates Tenshinhan, at least according to that old parody video "Is that okay?"
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Indifference towards Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu. None of them have really made a significant impression on Vegeta. Krillin is the only I could see Vegeta harbouring any respect for and that may have to do with the two of them sharing a foxhole against the Ginyu Force and Freeza. Granted, Tenshinhan sort of did the same against the cyborgs but he, the humans, and Gohan were always the liabilities of that battle. It's sad to say but they were there largely for moral and resuscitative support at best.
Maybe his opinion of them changed a little following their actions in the Moro arc?
Maybe his opinion of them changed a little following their actions in the Moro arc?