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About Dragon Clan Namekian

Post by super michael » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:05 pm

In DBZ we are told that Dragon Clan Namekian are not fighting type Namekian, but isn't that a contradiction? We know Kami and Piccolo are from the Dragon Clan, yet they were stronger than everyone on earth including Goku at one point.

King Piccolo and Kami were stronger than Master Roshi and Master Mutaito, that is no small feat. It is assumed that Nameless Namek (before Kami and Piccolo split up) was stronger than any Saiyan, except for a Super Saiyan.

I don't see any reason why a Dragon Clan Namekian can't be both a fighter with magical powers, it looks like Nameless Namek was that. Kami and King Piccolo were also fighters and magic users.

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Re: About Dragon Clan Namekian

Post by Yuji » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:40 pm

It seems like Piccolo Jr is a hybrid of sorts, but it is worth noting that God and Piccolo both had insignificant battle powers compared to warrior type Namekians we saw that averaged around a battle power of 3,000 and Nail clocking in at 42,000. So, like Goku, God and Piccolo may have been strong for Earthling standards, but for their species' standard, they were very weak.

Of course, Piccolo Daimao and God were split from one being, the original nameless Namekian, son of Katats. The original Namekian may have been stronger than Piccolo and God's battle powers of ~200-300. As the grand Elder called him a prodigy, his original power probably reached higher than 3,000; the Grand Elder is even shocked a mere Saiyan (and not a "Super Saiyan") defeated him, so the Namekian's power could have ranged from anywhere from 3,000 to 18,000, or perhaps even as high as 90,000 (Goku's battle power on Namek, when Vegeta says he has surpassed the "normal Saiyan limit") or even 180,000 (the power of the strongest limit-bound Saiyan, Vegeta, in his Oozaru form). Nail says that if Piccolo had fused with God, he could easily take on Freeza, but this Piccolo, let alone the Piccolo who would eventually fuse in the Cell arc, was much stronger than Daimao, so it's unlikely the Namekian was that strong originally.

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Re: About Dragon Clan Namekian

Post by Kaboom » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:48 pm

There's a difference between "a Dragon-type Namekian who knows how to fight" versus an actual "Warrior-type Namekian." They're treated like not just job descriptions or clan divisions, but as an actual biological difference, like the closest thing Namekians have to two different sexes. Dragon-types can do stuff like heal others, spawn children, and make Dragon Balls, while Warrior-types lack those abilities but have far greater natural strength. Namekians are a fairly powerful race overall, but the actual Warrior-types are on a whole different level.

Like Yuji beat me to pointing out, Kami and King Piccolo being stronger than most Earthlings (despite being Dragon-types) was less about them being abnormally strong and more about Earthlings being naturally weak. Until certain Earthlings like Kuririn got some extra help to boost them up, they paled in comparison to most combat-suited races out there in space.
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Re: About Dragon Clan Namekian

Post by super michael » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:17 pm

Elder Guru said that Nameless Namekian was one of the strongest in the tribe, to be one of the strongest in the tribe is no small feat. When Elder Guru reads Krillin mind, it was mentioned that Nameless Namekian genius has been wasted by splitting into two and if they rejoined then the Saiyans wouldn't have killed him.

This raise the question what made Nameless Namekian special that he was both magical and powerful, before the split he was able to make Dragon Balls as stated by Elder Guru.

However another thing when Krillin, Gohan and Dende got their potential unlocked, only Krillin and Gohan were stated to have a huge power increase. But for Dende nothing was mentioned about his power increase, only that he unlocked how to heal others. Then again Dende has never been stated to train at all unlike Krillin, Gohan, Kami and King Piccolo.

If the humans can surpass Warrior Namekians, then I don't see why Dragon Clan Namekian can't do the same. The Dragon Clan Namekians were stronger than the humans.
We have Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Master Roshi who are stronger than the Warrior Namekians. Then there are C17, C18 and Uub who are leagues above the normal humans.

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Re: About Dragon Clan Namekian

Post by FoolsGil » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:11 pm

Who honestly knows with Namekians. For years fans said Namekians of different clans can't fuse. Then the Tournament of Power Arc happened. The answer to any question is Namekians weren't well planned, there's holes as a result that in universe can't be explained.

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Re: About Dragon Clan Namekian

Post by Darkprince410 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:25 am

Who honestly knows with Namekians. For years fans said Namekians of different clans can't fuse. Then the Tournament of Power Arc happened. The answer to any question is Namekians weren't well planned, there's holes as a result that in universe can't be explained.
Nothing about the Tournament of Power's events said necessarily counters the whole "differing groups can't assimilate" rule. It'd be different if we knew that Pirina and Saonel assimilated Namekians from different clans or not (or if their system even has differing groups the way U7's did) as they might have evolved differently.

Going back to the original topic at hand though, I look at it best in terms of ants. You have worker ants that do various different tasks (gathering food, tending the queen, maintaining the nest, etc), but their job also entails protecting the nest, and they're capable fighters in their own right. However, you have many ant species that have a special "warrior caste" of ants that are far larger and stronger than their worker ant relatives, and their primary task is to defend the nest from invaders.

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