How Many Times Stronger Is Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Than Super Saiyan 4?

[Steven Bloodriver]

What I am asking is the multiplier of Super Full Power Saiyan 4 and not Super Full Power Saiyan 4: Limit Breaker.

[theherodjl]

Goku fluctuated between getting his ass beat to putting up something of a fight to almost destroying Super Yi Xing Ling so its hard to say. He's at least twice the power of ordinary Yi Xing Long, who was around twice the power of SSJ4 Goku, so a x4 boost sounds about right. Maybe as much as a x10 but no more.

[sunsetshimmer]

It's hard to say. Regular Goku couldn't do anything to Syn with his Kamehameha X10, but in his SFPS4 state he completely overpowered him.
But he was tired when fighting Syn for the first time so he wasn't at his full power. Still, Goku was confident that his full power wouldn't be enough to beat him and Omega was said to be 10 times stronger than Syn and Goku could still hold himself against him at first, so imo SFPS4 Goku shouldn't be less than 10 times stronger than regular SSJ4.

[TobyS]

It's hard to say. Regular Goku couldn't do anything to Syn with his Kamehameha X10, but in his SFPS4 state he completely overpowered him.
But he was tired when fighting Syn for the first time so he wasn't at his full power. Still, Goku was confident that his full power wouldn't be enough to beat him and Omega was said to be 10 times stronger than Syn and Goku could still hold himself against him at first, so imo SFPS4 Goku shouldn't be less than 10 times stronger than regular SSJ4.

It's weird, in the anime version of heroes we know Blue is about equal to 4.

We know that the blues have E and KKx20... So it kinda logically has to be more than that or equal at worst to make the Janemba fight make sense...

However it gets confusing because the Heroes chars are trained to max in base, so that's why they are equal to Blue in 4. So Blue is better than gt ss4....

So actually the Xeno bases are stronger than the Super bases.... so SS4FP doesn't have to be as great a multiplier to make them stronger than E and KKx20... potentially..... It's hard to say.

[sunsetshimmer]

It's weird, in the anime version of heroes we know Blue is about equal to 4.

We know that the blues have E and KKx20... So it kinda logically has to be more than that or equal at worst to make the Janemba fight make sense...

However it gets confusing because the Heroes chars are trained to max in base, so that's why they are equal to Blue in 4. So Blue is better than gt ss4....

So actually the Xeno bases are stronger than the Super bases.... so SS4FP doesn't have to be as great a multiplier to make them stronger than E and KKx20... potentially..... It's hard to say.

I don't know if Heroes is 100% reliable source. Let's just say games threat SSJ4 as GT's counterpart of Blue.
Also, DBH characters are not from DBS, they are just based on them. They know who Cooler is for example. It's more like old DBZ movies which just had characters based on certain story periods. The same way Xeno characters are just based on GT characters but are not exactly them. This makes things harder because both versions must be stronger than their DBS/GT counterparts. Games like Xenoverse or FighterZ also put SSJ4 as a natural rival of SSJB, so it's easy to assume regular DBS characters wouldn't stand a chance against Xeno characters, which is why their DBH versions are most likely much stronger as well.

[Desassina]

Let's say that...

Super Saiyan: Power = 50 | Strength = 10 | Agility = 10 | Energy = 2, with agility times strength divided by energy being equal to power.

Super Saiyan at Full Power needs to control the energy spent so that it divides by 1, and the natural consequence is double the amount of power. Now let's imagine all other forms in this manner...

Super Saiyan 2: Power = 100 | Strength = 20 | Agility = 20 | Energy = 4
Super Saiyan 3: Power = 400 | Strength = 80 | Agility = 80 | Energy = 16

Super Saiyan 3 at full power would divide by 1, which means that its power is 16 times more, for a total of 6'400. That's SS4's entry point. However, as a new form, it comes at a cost, which is its lack of energy control. 6'400 is 16 times more than 400, so the energy cost is 256, which means that, in case Goku can make it divide by 1, his power will be 256 times more!

Super Saiyan 4: Power = 6'400 | Strength = 1'280 | Agility = 1'280 | Energy = 256

Therefore, I have Super Saiyan 4 at full power 256 times more than the regular one, which is quite absurd

[BagetaSama]

It's hard to say. Regular Goku couldn't do anything to Syn with his Kamehameha X10, but in his SFPS4 state he completely overpowered him.
But he was tired when fighting Syn for the first time so he wasn't at his full power. Still, Goku was confident that his full power wouldn't be enough to beat him and Omega was said to be 10 times stronger than Syn and Goku could still hold himself against him at first, so imo SFPS4 Goku shouldn't be less than 10 times stronger than regular SSJ4.

It's weird, in the anime version of heroes we know Blue is about equal to 4.

We know that the blues have E and KKx20... So it kinda logically has to be more than that or equal at worst to make the Janemba fight make sense...

However it gets confusing because the Heroes chars are trained to max in base, so that's why they are equal to Blue in 4. So Blue is better than gt ss4....

So actually the Xeno bases are stronger than the Super bases.... so SS4FP doesn't have to be as great a multiplier to make them stronger than E and KKx20... potentially..... It's hard to say.

Why would you take Heroes into account as if it matters

[TobyS]

It's hard to say. Regular Goku couldn't do anything to Syn with his Kamehameha X10, but in his SFPS4 state he completely overpowered him.
But he was tired when fighting Syn for the first time so he wasn't at his full power. Still, Goku was confident that his full power wouldn't be enough to beat him and Omega was said to be 10 times stronger than Syn and Goku could still hold himself against him at first, so imo SFPS4 Goku shouldn't be less than 10 times stronger than regular SSJ4.

It's weird, in the anime version of heroes we know Blue is about equal to 4.

We know that the blues have E and KKx20... So it kinda logically has to be more than that or equal at worst to make the Janemba fight make sense...

However it gets confusing because the Heroes chars are trained to max in base, so that's why they are equal to Blue in 4. So Blue is better than gt ss4....

So actually the Xeno bases are stronger than the Super bases.... so SS4FP doesn't have to be as great a multiplier to make them stronger than E and KKx20... potentially..... It's hard to say.

Why would you take Heroes into account as if it matters

It matters more than GT.

It's more recent and contains canon adjacent characters like the CC versions.

Even the OCs like Towa and Mira were toriyama designs whereas toriyama only did some tweeks for the U7 cast at GTs start

[BagetaSama]

It's weird, in the anime version of heroes we know Blue is about equal to 4.

We know that the blues have E and KKx20... So it kinda logically has to be more than that or equal at worst to make the Janemba fight make sense...

However it gets confusing because the Heroes chars are trained to max in base, so that's why they are equal to Blue in 4. So Blue is better than gt ss4....

So actually the Xeno bases are stronger than the Super bases.... so SS4FP doesn't have to be as great a multiplier to make them stronger than E and KKx20... potentially..... It's hard to say.

Why would you take Heroes into account as if it matters

It matters more than GT.

It's more recent and contains canon adjacent characters like the CC versions.

Even the OCs like Towa and Mira were toriyama designs whereas toriyama only did some tweeks for the U7 cast at GTs start

Yes but none of this is written by, or associated with, Toriyama and literally functions for the expressed purpose of advertising the Heroes game. It shouldn't ever be taken into account for other series. Even in the context of GT, it's not as though these little shorts are intended to be accurate representations of the power of the characters, obviously whoever wrote GT probably isn't writing Heroes, either even if it is all Toei.