Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

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Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

Post by super michael » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:28 am

They like to have fun but at the same time they like to help their allies, join tournament, training with the best fighters and fighting evil.

- Goten and Trunks had no problem fighting Freeza invasion.
- When Trunks heard about U6 Vs U7 he wanted to join in a heart beat.
- Goten and Trunks had no problem helping Future Trunks.
- Goten had no problem training with Goku.
- Goten had no problem going to Whis.
- Goten and Trunks had no problem joining.

They have no problem fighting as a team and are willing to fuse to win a fight, depending how hard the fights are.

That in my book makes them fantastic characters.

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Re: Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

Post by Xeogran » Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:58 pm

They have the right attitude but they're not allowed to participate in any of these arcs properly and that is the problem..
At least Trunks got that heartfelt moment with his Future self, it's pretty memorable.

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Re: Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

Post by TobyS » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:49 am

It's worse because the anime has to contrive reasons for them not to be around and makes everyone else look mean and unsupportive especially Chichi who literally trained goten.

Them just not wanting to because they live in happier peaceful times is much more elegant solution.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

Post by Bridgeman » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:59 pm

I never understand why Goten and Trunks are babied so much. They're literal Super Saiyans. Keep in mind, Gohan when he was just 4 years old (or maybe younger in the manga, don't remember) was trained by Piccolo, then fought against the Saiyans, then travelled to another planet and fought Frieza. I know Chi Chi didn't have much of a say in the matter when it came to Gohan, but still. He decided on his own to go to Namek and Chi Chi just had to accept that.

Maybe Goten and Trunks should be more defiant or something.

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Re: Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

Post by TobyS » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:20 am

Bridgeman wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:59 pm I never understand why Goten and Trunks are babied so much. They're literal Super Saiyans. Keep in mind, Gohan when he was just 4 years old (or maybe younger in the manga, don't remember) was trained by Piccolo, then fought against the Saiyans, then travelled to another planet and fought Frieza. I know Chi Chi didn't have much of a say in the matter when it came to Gohan, but still. He decided on his own to go to Namek and Chi Chi just had to accept that.

Maybe Goten and Trunks should be more defiant or something.
Gohans involvement was a tragic neccesity. The kids are garbage compared to their parents power wise and their immaturity made them pick the humans over them for the top.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Post by Xeogran » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:35 am

TobyS wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:20 am and their immaturity made them pick the humans over them for the top.
Seeing how many immature fighters there were in ToP (and even some of the GoDs), that's a really lame reason.

I can't imagine how their immaturity would be in any way worse than Krillin or Tien getting eliminated so quickly.
Gohan's strategy fell apart right at the start anyway, so much for having a mature team :)

It's not like they would start eliminating their own fighters or anything. At worst they would eliminate a few and then get pushed away by the stronger opponents.

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Post by TobyS » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:34 am

Xeogran wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:35 am
TobyS wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:20 am and their immaturity made them pick the humans over them for the top.
Seeing how many immature fighters there were in ToP (and even some of the GoDs), that's a really lame reason.

I can't imagine how their immaturity would be in any way worse than Krillin or Tien getting eliminated so quickly.
Gohan's strategy fell apart right at the start anyway, so much for having a mature team :)

It's not like they would start eliminating their own fighters or anything. At worst they would eliminate a few and then get pushed away by the stronger opponents.
The humans got unlucky because Freeza set frost on them and the others were too busy to help. If they'd lasted longer than other fodder through teamwork the field would thin enough for the others to be able to assist them in the event a frost tier dude attacked them.

The boys would probably have made gotenks and ran straight at Hit or Jiren and get knocked out.

Either way if gotenks runs off either roshi is knocked out in place of the other two or roshi isn't there, dooming the universe when he can't give Goku the pre UI pep talk
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

Post by super michael » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:04 am

Xeogran wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:35 am
TobyS wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:20 am and their immaturity made them pick the humans over them for the top.
Seeing how many immature fighters there were in ToP (and even some of the GoDs), that's a really lame reason.

I can't imagine how their immaturity would be in any way worse than Krillin or Tien getting eliminated so quickly.
Gohan's strategy fell apart right at the start anyway, so much for having a mature team :)

It's not like they would start eliminating their own fighters or anything. At worst they would eliminate a few and then get pushed away by the stronger opponents.
Please don't give me the immature excuse for why they are forbidden, other characters were immature and dumb but gets infinity chances.

Vegeta with Cell:
- Screwing around his fight.
- Fell for Cell taunt
- Allowed Cell to go to absorb
- Attacked his allies to prevent his son from killing Cell
- Attacked Super Perfect Cell, which got Gohan injured.

Vegeta with Buu:
- Vegeta got possessed on purpose
- Attacked hundreds if not thousands of innocent people to provoke Goku
- His battle was the reason Buu was revived.
- Crushing Potara to make Super Buu battle hard.
- Kid Buu was able to destroy earth, thanks to Vegeta crushing Potara.
- Goku and Vegeta crushing Potara to make Kid Buu battle hard.

Mr Buu
- Responsible for Beerus getting angry
- Failing U6 Vs U7 test due to falling sleep.
- ToP falling asleep.

Bulma
- Saying things which can anger Freeza in RoF, but no one cares.

Mr Satan is not more reliable than Goten and Trunks.

Goten and Trunks gets 0 chances, which is not fair.
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Post by Koitsukai » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:18 am

But Vegeta made up for his mistakes in the end, he aided Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell, he was key in Cell's defeat. And in the Buu arc, he came up with the plan to defeat Buu and provided a face for Buu to beat up while the genki dama was being created, at the risk of disappearing forever.

While Gotenks fooled around and wasted his fusion time... and then when it was time to make up for it, he let himself get absorbed like a chump, making things worse. "Worse" doesn't even cut it, Gohan was taking care of Buu, but they chose to fuse and ruined everything, they let themselves be taunted by Buu.

Agreed about Buu, the same lame joke over and over again, but he brings more to the table than just muscle: magic, absorption, healing, regen, and muscle. If he were reliable, he'd be leading his own show.

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Re: Goten and Trunks has the right attitude in DBS Anime

Post by super michael » Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:28 am

Koitsukai wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:18 am But Vegeta made up for his mistakes in the end, he aided Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell, he was key in Cell's defeat. And in the Buu arc, he came up with the plan to defeat Buu and provided a face for Buu to beat up while the genki dama was being created, at the risk of disappearing forever.

While Gotenks fooled around and wasted his fusion time... and then when it was time to make up for it, he let himself get absorbed like a chump, making things worse. "Worse" doesn't even cut it, Gohan was taking care of Buu, but they chose to fuse and ruined everything, they let themselves be taunted by Buu.

Agreed about Buu, the same lame joke over and over again, but he brings more to the table than just muscle: magic, absorption, healing, regen, and muscle. If he were reliable, he'd be leading his own show.
Do you know why Vegeta was able to make up his mistake? Because no one forbid him from going to the Cell Game and no one told him to go away.
Kid Buu wouldn't have been a hard battle if it wasn't for Vegeta crushing Potara.

Earth getting blown up was Vegeta fault for destroying the Potara.

Gotenks and Piccolo got absorbed, funny you don't mention Piccolo at all. What about Gohan messing around not using ki attack. Gohan got absorbed despite knowing Buu can absorb, while Gotenks and Piccolo didn't know Buu could absorb.

Everyone gets chances to prove themselves, but Goten and Trunks don't get any chance at all.

Vegeta does mistakes = Get chances.
Gohan does mistakes = Get chances.
Mr Buu does mistakes = Get chances.
Goku does mistakes = Get chances.
Bulma does mistakes = Get chances.
Mr Satan does stupid things = Get chances.

Goten and Trunks does mistakes = No more chances they are 100% forbidden.

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Post by Koitsukai » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:19 am

super michael wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:28 am
Koitsukai wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:18 am But Vegeta made up for his mistakes in the end, he aided Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell, he was key in Cell's defeat. And in the Buu arc, he came up with the plan to defeat Buu and provided a face for Buu to beat up while the genki dama was being created, at the risk of disappearing forever.

While Gotenks fooled around and wasted his fusion time... and then when it was time to make up for it, he let himself get absorbed like a chump, making things worse. "Worse" doesn't even cut it, Gohan was taking care of Buu, but they chose to fuse and ruined everything, they let themselves be taunted by Buu.

Agreed about Buu, the same lame joke over and over again, but he brings more to the table than just muscle: magic, absorption, healing, regen, and muscle. If he were reliable, he'd be leading his own show.
Do you know why Vegeta was able to make up his mistake? Because no one forbid him from going to the Cell Game and no one told him to go away.
Kid Buu wouldn't have been a hard battle if it wasn't for Vegeta crushing Potara.

Earth getting blown up was Vegeta fault for destroying the Potara.

Gotenks and Piccolo got absorbed, funny you don't mention Piccolo at all. What about Gohan messing around not using ki attack. Gohan got absorbed despite knowing Buu can absorb, while Gotenks and Piccolo didn't know Buu could absorb.

Everyone gets chances to prove themselves, but Goten and Trunks don't get any chance at all.

Vegeta does mistakes = Get chances.
Gohan does mistakes = Get chances.
Mr Buu does mistakes = Get chances.
Goku does mistakes = Get chances.
Bulma does mistakes = Get chances.
Mr Satan does stupid things = Get chances.

Goten and Trunks does mistakes = No more chances they are 100% forbidden.
Because Vegeta isn't 8 years old. Who would chose not to have Vegeta at the Cell Games anyway? he was the third strongest, second if you will because nobody knew Gohan was that strong.

Piccolo wasn't even part of the fight, it was a surprise when he got absorbed as well... now Gotenks, he was fully ready to fight, well not fully otherwise he wouldn't have been absorbed. And they already knew Buu was up to something, so dropping down their guard like that and doing exactly what Buu asked them to do is dumb. Gohan is to blame, too, but that's your usual OP Gohan.

Goten and Trunks were handed the keys of the Kingdom when Goku left and they blew it.
They went to fight Buu on their own when they weren't ready, they got everybody killed in Kami's Palace because they were playing around (if Kami died it would've been their fault), and then they kept fooling around as SS3. That's as unreliable as you can be.
All the time, trust and effort spent on them was never repaid by them, Goku chose to not kill Buu so they could do it.
They had the power and the chance to take care of it but they screwed up. Not even getting everybody killed made them rethink their approach.

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Post by Bridgeman » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:29 am

Koitsukai wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:18 am But Vegeta made up for his mistakes in the end, he aided Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell, he was key in Cell's defeat. And in the Buu arc, he came up with the plan to defeat Buu and provided a face for Buu to beat up while the genki dama was being created, at the risk of disappearing forever.

While Gotenks fooled around and wasted his fusion time... and then when it was time to make up for it, he let himself get absorbed like a chump, making things worse. "Worse" doesn't even cut it, Gohan was taking care of Buu, but they chose to fuse and ruined everything, they let themselves be taunted by Buu.

Agreed about Buu, the same lame joke over and over again, but he brings more to the table than just muscle: magic, absorption, healing, regen, and muscle. If he were reliable, he'd be leading his own show.
You can't put getting absorbed on Gotenks alone. Piccolo also got absorbed, and he's supposed to be the oldest and smartest dude present at that time. It's also just as much Gohan's fault, he could have destroyed Buu if he wasn't so cocky.

Everyone fucks up. Expecting a couple of eight year olds to be absolutely flawless in their first serious fight is ridiculous. After the fusion technique was learned, there was no real time to train them either, or discipline them like Piccolo had done with Gohan. Yes, they got some decent time in the ROSAT, and they managed to tap into SSJ3, but when it comes to fighting maneuvers or experience they were complete and total amateurs.

And they'll always stay that way if nobody ever brings them to any more fights.

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Post by super michael » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:38 am

Lets not forget good old Vegeta destroying the ROSAT just because he felt like it.

Future Trunks time line getting erased thanks to Goku being dumb.

Krillin getting that pathetic ring out in the anime due to celebrating near the edge of the ring with his eyes closed.

Tien letting his guard down which got himself eliminated by using all the clones instead of leaving one clone.

Another thing Goten and Trunks are not 7/8 years old they are teenagers now.

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Post by Mac » Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:11 pm

Sure, but the issue is that they literally never appear in the show anymore. Trunks got one moment for Future Trunks and that was it. Goten never appears really.

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Post by Yosheets » Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:13 pm

They may have had better attitudes, but they still should not have been little kids. LOL.

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Post by super michael » Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:19 pm

Mac wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:11 pm Sure, but the issue is that they literally never appear in the show anymore. Trunks got one moment for Future Trunks and that was it. Goten never appears really.
They appeared many times but every time they appeared was just so their family would forbid them.

No one wants to lecture them in DBS, just forbid and be done. No one wants to discipline them at all.
Yosheets wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:13 pm They may have had better attitudes, but they still should not have been little kids. LOL.
They are not little kids, they are actually teenagers. They used the Dragon Balls and Super Dragon Balls multiple times.

Gohan was 4 and he used to go to battle and travel planet.

Edit my bad I misunderstood, true they should already grow, they are as old as Future Trunks when Future Gohan was alive.

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Bridgeman wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:59 pm I never understand why Goten and Trunks are babied so much. They're literal Super Saiyans. Keep in mind, Gohan when he was just 4 years old (or maybe younger in the manga, don't remember) was trained by Piccolo, then fought against the Saiyans, then travelled to another planet and fought Frieza. I know Chi Chi didn't have much of a say in the matter when it came to Gohan, but still. He decided on his own to go to Namek and Chi Chi just had to accept that.

Maybe Goten and Trunks should be more defiant or something.
How old are Goten and Trucks? How many able body adults do we have that can handle any situation that arrives? Why should a couple of young kids have to risk themslves when you have three grown ass men saiyans, a namekian, cyborg, tri-clops, and Krillin? (I get that the boys might be stronger than Krillin.)

Things were different in the early days of Z when Gohan was the fourth strongest person behind an out of commission Goku, dead Piccolo and Vegeta. And if you looked at the Saiyan saga, everyone else fought before Gohan. And in the Android saga, even Krillin and Yamcha were more poised to fight than Gohan. Gohan didn't start to get a push until it was decided that he would go into the Room to train with Goku.

Again, why would we be in a huge rush to push these young kids into high stake life and death scenerios when there plenty of adults around?
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