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I Need An Explanation For Something...

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:21 pm

I would like to know why Future Trunks was able to restore Son Goku back to full strength in the Future Trunks Saga of the Dragon Ball Super Manga, while Elder Kaioshin had made the claim that Kibito Kai wouldn't have been able to restore Super Saiyan 4 Son Goku back to full strength in the Baby Saga of Dragon Ball GT.

Does this mean that the unmastered forms of Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, and Ascended Super Saiyan Blue from the Dragon Ball Super Manga Timeline are weaker than the unmastered form of Super Saiyan 4 from the Dragon Ball GT Timeline?

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Re: I Need An Explanation For Something...

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:38 pm

I think this is much more about Trunks having more latent power than Kibitoshin than about how SS4 and SSGSS compare to each other. Not that any of that matters anyway.

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Re: I Need An Explanation For Something...

Post by mute_proxy » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:52 am

That just means that GT was written with different in universe rules in mind.

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Re: I Need An Explanation For Something...

Post by sunsetshimmer » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:17 pm

Hugo Boss wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:38 pm I think this is much more about Trunks having more latent power than Kibitoshin than about how SS4 and SSGSS compare to each other. Not that any of that matters anyway.
I don't think that's the case, cause battle power level shouldn't have anything to do with healing powers. Trunks barely trained under gods compared to how old Shin was and he was still fused in GT. Kibitoshin should have much higher divine powers compared to regular mortal who didn't even use such power before iirc. If GT and DBS were to be compared such way, that would be very strong argument for GT.
mute_proxy wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:52 am That just means that GT was written with different in universe rules in mind.
This, although this is a good contraargument against people actually using DBS feats against GT. And there's much more like GT Goku easily beating Frieza after years of training. In the end though, these are two different series with completely different rules. If you said to GT Goku that DBS Goku can't beat god of destruction he would laugh at how weak he is because he has beaten one already, Luud. And that's the only thing that would come into his mind hearing "god of destruction". It would work the same way if DBS Goku heard that the strongest villain in GT were evil dragons.

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:21 pm Does this mean that the unmastered forms of Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan Blue, and Ascended Super Saiyan Blue from the Dragon Ball Super Manga Timeline are weaker than the unmastered form of Super Saiyan 4 from the Dragon Ball GT Timeline?
No, unless they moved into actual GT timeline using time ring or something else and GT Kibitoshin would be able to heal SSJ Blue Goku or DBS Trunks wouldn't be able to heal SSJ4 Goku.
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Re: I Need An Explanation For Something...

Post by TobyS » Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:54 am

GT isn't canon so it's in universe logic has no bearing on super.

Trunks being "more powerful" could make his healing better than Kibitos, but he didn't even know he has it and Kibito might have more experience and be better at magic.

GT's scene is stupid, Dende isn't as strong as Vegeta in the namek saga, there's no inclination healing stops working with a power discrepancy.

Probably just GT either wanking the saiyans or the stop Kibitoshin healing ss4 goku repeatedly until he could even beat guys like omega shenron eventually.
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