gotta love how toriyama went full BTTF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3LwlSlo5cw BTTF clip
just a note, but in the chouzenshuu. the ''4th timeline where a mysterious cell appears with cell games'' is removed and the ''trunks used the remote to defeat 18/17'' is ditched in favor of ''somehow'' as well
Toei/toyotaro, however, chose to go with the earlier lore of the danzenshuu instead
since the chouzenshuu is supposed to be the latest full-through guidebook of the series, take it as you will
it's alright to post them those, right? i thought of posting them since it's nigh impossible to explain the 4th timeline without the source that added it.
at any rate, the 4th timeline diverge between when the cyborgs appear and the cell games begin. considering that cell is in his perfect form, it means he managed to absorb them in this timeline as well. and there is no trunks in that timeline because the trunks that is supposed to appear is the first trunks that got killed.
which means that the world diverged during the first trunks period like the unseen timeline. not the second trunks. cell going back somehow created two cells that went both to the original timeline and the 4th timeline but here's the thing. none of this add up, there should be 5 timelines to begin with, not 4
original timeline aka where killed trunks is from
alternate future trunks timeline
altered past timeline (current one)
the alternate one with another cell from the future.
the timeline that the first trunks rescued.
but it seems that the dragon ball editors who thought of it as 4 view alternate future trunks and original timeline the same??????
that is a really weird viewpoint and instantly establish that there are whacy time travel rules in DB.
so first trunks somehow created two timelines, the unseen timeline and the 4th history timeline. and cell ended up on the latter as well as the current one
blue = first trunks, red = second trunks. purple = together
this is really weird since this phenomena is never observed again. it's a plot hole tbh. the only way this can fit is if there is a third trunks identical to the first that got killed by his own cell prior to his return thus explaining why there is another cell.
which guess what, guys. it's either there are only 3 timelines without the cell clusterfire or there are more than 4. no inbetween
sorry to say this to you guys, but toriyama screwed up big time by canonizing this guidebook lore in DBS.now you can't ignore this plot hole as some BS that the guidebooks created and just shrug it off as an error.
Grimlock wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:05 am
Yeah I had thought about that. Maybe what changed everything was Cell killing Trunks? Maybe Trunks wasn't supposed to die by Cell after all?
Cell should indeed have gone to this "unseen timeline", but for some reason, he goes to another timeline. Not only that, he goes to another point in time too. The Time Machine was set to go to AGE 767, instead, it goes to AGE 763 of another timeline! (That's a 25-year-trip through time, by the way).
None of this makes any sense.
the simple answer is that the dragon ball supers are a mess and since they have a canonicity issue in regarding which version and details are canon or not.
i'm gonna pretend DBS didn't happen and just use the chouzenshuu take. there are only 3 timelines. future 1 aka original, future 2, trunks timeline, unseen timeline. so in short, don't mind the 4th history timeline, OP!