You can't use a video game cutscene by people not invovled with the main anime or manga as evidence for powerscaling lol, and it doesn't even give the actual distance either. Also, there's an entire interview from Toriyama himself back in the 2000sh were he talks about the moon and pointed out that its actually even further away from Earth in DB than it is in real life.theherodjl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:42 am Let's just add another can of worms to the discussion.
While this may be from a DB videogame, it kinda illustrates how far the writers/artists believe that the moon is from the Earth. Instead of being 238,855 miles(384,400 kms) away, it appears to be maybe only another Earth(7,926 miles or 12,756 kms) and a half's distance away.
Are the Saiyans Massively faster than light by the time of Super?
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Here is from Toei animation.MrGohanks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:18 pmYou can't use a video game cutscene by people not invovled with the main anime or manga as evidence for powerscaling lol, and it doesn't even give the actual distance either. Also, there's an entire interview from Toriyama himself back in the 2000sh were he talks about the moon and pointed out that its actually even further away from Earth in DB than it is in real life.
Here's the actual Earth from the moon.
The Earth & moon seen from Freeza's ship. Admittedly, it's difficult to tell if Toriyama even illustrated the moon but Toei certainly did.
Toei also has a habit of putting moons quite a bit closer to planets. Arlia's moon is even 'sucked' into the planet when Vegeta destroys it.
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Hello.
The terms "faster than light" came in use around '40, when the first relativistic theories vamped up. The light of speed was found as absolute and the higher possible. Einstein figured it out by holding a mirror on his face and imaging walking faster the speed of light - the photons will stay on the surface of the mirror and he cannot see himself.
That metaphore will become a way of speaching, "faster than light", than mean "so fast the eye cannot catch it".
Now, despite proofs of DB(Z) FTL stuff, in fact what the eye cannot see is way way slower than light.
I have to say so after reading a number of bad mistakes about how speed, light and "fiction" should work all along the post. If you set a "speed of light" as a noticeable limit, you imply it work as "our" light. Or it will be any volitive speed. Why not "the speed of neutrons"? Or why not "the speed of my fingers when playing Kirby"? If you assume speed as the absolute speed of light, believe me: is light as our universe, and work as our universe, or it will be no "light".
Also, faster than sound was instead a... SUPERMAN QUOTE.
Both become way of speech.
As Dyspo is told both "faster than sound and light", is just a reinforcement of the concept - he's faster than Superman and you cannot even see him.
Sometime DB(Z) do the impossible, but the "impossible" is actually the exception that confirm the rule, being "impossible".
The terms "faster than light" came in use around '40, when the first relativistic theories vamped up. The light of speed was found as absolute and the higher possible. Einstein figured it out by holding a mirror on his face and imaging walking faster the speed of light - the photons will stay on the surface of the mirror and he cannot see himself.
That metaphore will become a way of speaching, "faster than light", than mean "so fast the eye cannot catch it".
Now, despite proofs of DB(Z) FTL stuff, in fact what the eye cannot see is way way slower than light.
I have to say so after reading a number of bad mistakes about how speed, light and "fiction" should work all along the post. If you set a "speed of light" as a noticeable limit, you imply it work as "our" light. Or it will be any volitive speed. Why not "the speed of neutrons"? Or why not "the speed of my fingers when playing Kirby"? If you assume speed as the absolute speed of light, believe me: is light as our universe, and work as our universe, or it will be no "light".
Also, faster than sound was instead a... SUPERMAN QUOTE.
Both become way of speech.
As Dyspo is told both "faster than sound and light", is just a reinforcement of the concept - he's faster than Superman and you cannot even see him.
Sometime DB(Z) do the impossible, but the "impossible" is actually the exception that confirm the rule, being "impossible".
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Before anything, you wrote a very interesting post. It was a good reading. I only would like to know an example of the proof you are talking about, if you don’t mind elaborating.ChronoTwigger wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:45 pm Now, despite proofs of DB(Z) FTL stuff, in fact what the eye cannot see is way way slower than light.
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theherodjl wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:28 pmHere is from Toei animation.MrGohanks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:18 pmYou can't use a video game cutscene by people not invovled with the main anime or manga as evidence for powerscaling lol, and it doesn't even give the actual distance either. Also, there's an entire interview from Toriyama himself back in the 2000sh were he talks about the moon and pointed out that its actually even further away from Earth in DB than it is in real life.
Here's the actual Earth from the moon.
The Earth & moon seen from Freeza's ship. Admittedly, it's difficult to tell if Toriyama even illustrated the moon but Toei certainly did.
Toei also has a habit of putting moons quite a bit closer to planets. Arlia's moon is even 'sucked' into the planet when Vegeta destroys it.
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So Toriyama who admits he is bad at math doesn't know how far the moon is away from the sun.MrGohanks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:09 amtheherodjl wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:28 pmHere is from Toei animation.MrGohanks wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:18 pmYou can't use a video game cutscene by people not invovled with the main anime or manga as evidence for powerscaling lol, and it doesn't even give the actual distance either. Also, there's an entire interview from Toriyama himself back in the 2000sh were he talks about the moon and pointed out that its actually even further away from Earth in DB than it is in real life.
Here's the actual Earth from the moon.
The Earth & moon seen from Freeza's ship. Admittedly, it's difficult to tell if Toriyama even illustrated the moon but Toei certainly did.
Toei also has a habit of putting moons quite a bit closer to planets. Arlia's moon is even 'sucked' into the planet when Vegeta destroys it.
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Toriyama just said in this interview that the Moon in DragonBall is 380000 km/l from the Earth, which is basically scientifically correct because the Moon in real life fluctuates constantly from 250000 to 500000km/l from the Earth depending on the time of year, averaging around 375000 km/l generally.miguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:46 amSo Toriyama who admits he is bad at math doesn't know how far the moon is away from the sun.MrGohanks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:09 amtheherodjl wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:28 pm
Here is from Toei animation.
Here's the actual Earth from the moon.
The Earth & moon seen from Freeza's ship. Admittedly, it's difficult to tell if Toriyama even illustrated the moon but Toei certainly did.
Toei also has a habit of putting moons quite a bit closer to planets. Arlia's moon is even 'sucked' into the planet when Vegeta destroys it.
This also explains why the Moon often appears closer to the Earth in the series, because the Moon in real life is sometimes like that too depending on the season.
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well if you didn't believe they were before,the latest Super chapter puts all doubt to rest
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Yeah, that was one of the most insane speed feats in Dragon Ball History.
It's about time Gas did something impressive since he is the "Strongest in the Universe"
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Jiren did something similar on the manga's version of ToP, but it's a lot less noticeable, since all they say is that Jiren was far and decided to fly since it's faster than a ship, with Gas, we have a better idea of how far he is with how many times Goku needed to teleport to go back to Cereal.The Monkey King wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:57 pm Yeah, that was one of the most insane speed feats in Dragon Ball History.
It's about time Gas did something impressive since he is the "Strongest in the Universe"
So yeah, not exactly the first time something like that is done even under Toyotaro, but we have a better idea of how much "very far" can mean.
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Such a feat would mean Gas' travel speed would be sextillions of times FTL, which is crazy lol.The Monkey King wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:57 pmYeah, that was one of the most insane speed feats in Dragon Ball History.
It's about time Gas did something impressive since he is the "Strongest in the Universe"
Though it isn't the first time something like that happened in the series. The Shockwaves from SSG Goku vs Beerus fight managed to spread throughout all of Universe 7 even in its afterlife in just a few seconds, which would be quintillion of times FTL.
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Goku's IT hasn't nothing to do with distance. He can get to Beerus planet to Earth if a ki is high enough.
Gas said it was easier to fly then try to concentrate to IT back.
Gas said it was easier to fly then try to concentrate to IT back.
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if goku needs to teleport 7 times to reach back to his location on planet cereal while only needing to teleport 2 times to reach to planet namek can we infer then that the distance from goku's location (where he met whis) and planet cereal was 3.5 times the distance of Namek's distance to earth?
Given that the distance between earth and namek is 49.62 light years that would mean the distance gas has to travel is 173.62 light years.
Seeing gas is estimated to travel this gap in 20 minutes means he moves at 1.44468 light years/second= 13.68 trillion KM/second =4 5650 Speed of Light.
Meaning Gas is Massively faster than light. Also by extension Goku, Vegeta and Granola who have no problem reacting to or keeping up with Gas movement.
Given that the distance between earth and namek is 49.62 light years that would mean the distance gas has to travel is 173.62 light years.
Seeing gas is estimated to travel this gap in 20 minutes means he moves at 1.44468 light years/second= 13.68 trillion KM/second =4 5650 Speed of Light.
Meaning Gas is Massively faster than light. Also by extension Goku, Vegeta and Granola who have no problem reacting to or keeping up with Gas movement.
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The distance he can go is based on the ki being out out. He can go from Beerus planet to Earth if a ki is large enough. The multiple jumps is because he's trying to lock on to a ki.Seekeroftruth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:27 am if goku needs to teleport 7 times to reach back to his location on planet cereal while only needing to teleport 2 times to reach to planet namek can we infer then that the distance from goku's location (where he met whis) and planet cereal was 3.5 times the distance of Namek's distance to earth?
Given that the distance between earth and namek is 49.62 light years that would mean the distance gas has to travel is 173.62 light years.
Seeing gas is estimated to travel this gap in 20 minutes means he moves at 1.44468 light years/second= 13.68 trillion KM/second =4 5650 Speed of Light.
Meaning Gas is Massively faster than light. Also by extension Goku, Vegeta and Granola who have no problem reacting to or keeping up with Gas movement.
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The distance between Earth and New Namek is unknown, since Goku doesn't mention if it's closer or farther compared to Namek, though it has to be pretty far since he teleported twice to go there, and to go back (Though it is possible he could've gotten back to Earth by himself and decided to make a quick stop to talk to Kaio that Dende is the new Kami).Seekeroftruth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:27 am if goku needs to teleport 7 times to reach back to his location on planet cereal while only needing to teleport 2 times to reach to planet namek can we infer then that the distance from goku's location (where he met whis) and planet cereal was 3.5 times the distance of Namek's distance to earth?
Given that the distance between earth and namek is 49.62 light years that would mean the distance gas has to travel is 173.62 light years,Spoiler:
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That doesn't change the fact that Gas can physically fly that distance in such a short time at all instead of teleporting, which would be impossible if he wasn't trillions of times FTLmiguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:29 am Goku's IT hasn't nothing to do with distance. He can get to Beerus planet to Earth if a ki is high enough.
Gas said it was easier to fly then try to concentrate to IT back.
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What is the distance between Cereal and where Goku left Gas, because trillions x FTL sounds like a number pulled out of nowhere.MrGohanks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:01 pmThat doesn't change the fact that Gas can physically fly that distance in such a short time at all instead of teleporting, which would be impossible if he wasn't trillions of times FTLmiguelnuva1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:29 am Goku's IT hasn't nothing to do with distance. He can get to Beerus planet to Earth if a ki is high enough.
Gas said it was easier to fly then try to concentrate to IT back.
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Wasn't it the opposite? I think Goku's fight with either Jiren or Kefla had the godpad managing to capture his movements, while Dyspo in lightspeed mode didn't show anything at all.