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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:28 pm

Daizenshuu 4: World Guide

And here we are on the first of the two really information-heavy, non-plot recap daizenshuu. I actually have more notes on this one than any other, partially because I kind of gave up before the sheer massiveness of Daizenshuu 7. This post is so long I’m going to short it by category/section. You might want to get a snack or something while reading it.

Miscellaneous/Stuff in the Front

Pretty much the first thing in here in the model of the Dragon Ball cosmos, on pp.16-17. DBGT Network has a scan of this image here, (the reference numbers aren’t part of the original image, though). This model for the Dragon Ball cosmos was originally designed by Toriyama, and his rough sketch of it is reproduced in the pullout for this daizenshuu, along with his rough sketches for some of the characters that Daizenshuu EX has here.

Skipping ahead a little, on pp.72-73 there’s another drawing of the Dragon Ball cosmos with everything labeled and explained (it’s presumably from this second image that DBGT Network got their information from, but they then added it to the prettier-looking first image). Since Daizenshuu 4 uses only the manga as a source, it only includes a general description of hell, leaving out everything from the anime.

However, it also includes the airport to heaven, which appeared in the anime but wasn’t even mentioned in the anime. Apparently, the heavenly airport was one of the bits of information that Toriyama supplied the anime staff with, like I mentioned in my post for Daizenshuu 5 (remember that Toriyama drew the original image of the cosmos given here, so the airport was undoubtedly his idea). This makes sense when you consider that the Anoyo-Ichi Budoukai story-arc of the anime featured the same layout of the cosmos given here, even though it came out before the daizenshuu. So it seems Toriyama made the sketch of the cosmos at some point while working on the series, but didn’t incorporate all of it into the manga storyline.

Getting back to the front of the book, on p. 35 in the middle of a long article explaining everything about the Dragon Balls themselves, there’s a little sidebar showing that Polunga is about five times the size of Shenlong. They got this figure by comparing the size of both dragons in relation to the Capsule Corp. building, since they were both shown right by it in the series.

There’s also a chart listing every time the Dragon Balls were used, which set was used, the number of wishes, and what the wishes were. According to this, the Dragon Balls were used 14 times in the course of the series, with a total of 22 wishes. Looking at this chart, it seems that 4 of those 14 times were with Namek’s Dragon Balls, but it doesn’t specifically say so.

On pp.38-38, there is a kind of Q & A with Toriyama. They ask him which character lives the longest (Kame Sen’nin) and the shortest (Vegeta). They ask him which of his characters he would like to be reincarnated as, and he says Trunks, because he’s rich and strong. Makes sense. He also reveals that if he were to make another manga with Dragon Ball characters, he would make a gag manga starring Mr. Satan and Buu.

Saiyans

Next we have the guides for the different racial groups. In the section for special abilities of individual Saiyans (p.44), it has a paragraph on Goku’s telepathy. It links together Goku’s ability to telepathically communicate with Gohan during the fight with Vegeta, his ability to read Kuririn’s memories on Namek, and his ability to ‘hear’ what everyone was saying in his dreams while he was struggling with the heart virus as all being different manifestations of the same ability. It says that these telepathic abilities are a result of Goku’s training his spirit.

Nameccians (I love that spelling)

All of the sections for the different racial groups have a diagram of some kind. There’s a Saiyan family tree, a diagram of the hierarchy of gods, a diagram of Freeza’s organization, and the same thing for the Red Ribbon Army hierarchy. For the Namekians there’s a really neat diagram connecting all the different villages, Saichourou and Neil, Kami, Piccolo Daimaou and his various offspring, and Piccolo’s different mergings. This chart lists the population for each Namekian village, and separates them into Dragon Clan and Warrior Type (p.51). Here are the numbers it gives:

Muuri’s village: 5 Dragon Clan Namekians, 3 Warrior Types
Tsuuno’s village: 16 Dragon Clan, 3 Warrior Types
Village: 15 Dragon Clan, 2 Warrior Types
Village: 18 Dragon Clan, 2 Warrior Types
Village: 19 Dragon Clan, 3 Warrior Types
Village: 12 Dragon Clan, 2 Warrior Types

Adding those up (which the daizenshuu doesn’t do) I got exactly 100 Namekains total, with 85 Dragon Clan Namekians and 15 Warrior Types. Then of course there’s Saichourou and Neil as well, so the total comes to 102 on Namek itself, with 104 in the universe when we add in Piccolo and Kami. This all just applies for the Freeza arc of course, since Tsuuno’s village was never revived, and who knows how the population changed on New Namek.

edit: OK, so this is kind of a late correction, but I just realized that I forgot to count the elders for each village, since looking back at the chart its clear they're not intended to be included in the person count for their respective villages. So adding 7 to 102 gets you 109. Trivial? Not as much as it may seem. Take out Saichourou from the equation and you get 108, and in the manga Dende does tell Gohan and Kuririn that he is the 108st child of Saichourou. So that's what all these seemingly arbitrary numbers add up to. Which also means that Dende was the youngest person on Planet Namek, though that may have also been said in the manga and I just forgot.

Daizenshuu 7 (p.43) gives the percentage of Dragon Clan Namekians to Warrior Type Namekians as 86% and 14%, which seems to match what we see here.

The racial guide for Namekians also notes the existence of Piccolo Daimaou’s Demon Clan offspring. On p.50, it says that Piccolo Daimaou’s natural ability as a Dragon Clan Namekian to lay eggs was changed due to his evil nature, leading him to produce demons. On p.46 it says that the Demon Clan were Namekians whose hearts were stained with evil. So, despite what some people say, Piccolo Daimaou and his offspring really were demons, and not just claiming to be. You can be both a Namekian and a demon.

People of the Cosmos (otherwise known as gods)

On p.53 it goes over the gods’ duties. Each god has a zone (区域) that they guard over. You know how this goes: North Kaiou watches over the northern galaxy, South Kaiou has the southern galaxy, etc. Each god can’t interfere in the zone of another god. As an example of this, the daizenshuu shows the panel where Kaiou is explaining how he’s powerless to help them bring Kuririn back to life, since it’s outside his zone. This implies that Namek wasn’t in the northern galaxy.

It also explains here that a competent god can potentially be promoted to a higher position. So presumably if North Kaiou stopped making lame jokes all the time and put his nose to the grindstone, he could make North Kaioushin.

On p.55, it says that Kibito was the assistant for all of the Kaioushin. Of course, since all the other Kaioushin are gone, we only ever see him assisting East Kaioushin. This would imply that Kibito was around before Majin Buu wiped out the other Kaioushin.

Freeza and his Followers

On p.59, it gives ‘psychokinesis’ as a common ability among the higher members of Freeza’s organization. We do in fact see Freeza, Ginyu, and Ghould all use this ability in the series. According to the daizenshuu, this is not a natural ability of their respective races, but an advanced technique that they all learned.

On the same page, it describes Freeza and Zarbon as being ‘Transforming-Type Aliens’ (変身型宇宙人).

On p.59, it has the organization chart for Freeza’s organization. It describes King Cold’s role as “controlling things from above” (exact quote:“フリーザの父コルド大王がその上に君臨している”).

Babidi and his Followers

On p.62 it explains that Majin Buu can turn people into anything he imagines, and not just candy. He just mostly turns people into candy because he likes candy. This is actually implied in the series, since we see Buu turn people into clay and milk when he needs to, but people tend to forget this.

Earthlings

In the Dragon Ball world, there are three kinds of earthling: human-type, animal-type, and monster-type. Human-type are of course the humans like Bulma, Yamcha, and most of the cast. Animal-type are the animal people like Oolong and the King. Note that actual animals like Sea Turtle are not included here. Monster-type includes people like Pilaf and Akkuman (they use the English word for ‘monster’ here).

According to Daizenshuu 7 (p. 43), 75% of earthlings are human-type, 17% are animal-type, 7% are monster-type, and 1% are half-breeds such as Gohan, Trunks, and apparently Tenshinhan.

So yeah, Tenshinhan. This is where the daizenshuu first mention Tenshinhan’s alien ancestry. In the section for specific earthling’s powers on p.69, it explains that the reason Tenshinhan can do things like grow arms from his back and split into four different bodies is that he is a descendent of the Three-Eyed Clan (三つ目族).

Despite his alien ancestry, Tenshinhan is still included in the ‘earthling’ racial section. He’s also presumably still a human (人間), since even a full-blooded alien like Vegeta refers to himself as such in the series (like when he turns Oozaru). So anyone who tells you that the daizenshuu say Tenshinhan isn’t an earthling or a human is wrong.

Animals and Monsters

On p.70, it explains that the reason Sea Turtle can talk is because he’s lived with Kame Sen’nin for so many years.

Technology

On p.147, they ask Toriyama which of his android designs he liked best. His favorite? 2nd form Cell! He says he planned to have 2nd form Cell around longer, but his editor made him have Cell reach his complete form sooner because he thought 2nd form Cell looked really dumb. The fact that Toriyama had 2nd form Cell return temporarily and chose to draw him for Daizenshuu 6’s cover is probably more evidence of his affection for this form.

Some people have wondered if Sergent Metalic of the Reb Ribbon Army was one of Dr. Gero’s androids. However, the daizenshuu includes him in the section for robots on p. 158, not androids. It doesn’t say anything about him being built by Dr. Gero.

In the android section, it includes Android #8 as one of the Bio-type androids, and says that he is human-based (人間ベース), the same as #17 and #18.

And that wraps up Daizenshuu 4. Only one left! Of course, it’s the monster known as Daizenshuu 7, but still…
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Post by Toriyama Boss » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:56 pm

Herms wrote:Daizenshuu 4: World Guide
Saiyans In the section for special abilities of individual Saiyans (p.44), it has a paragraph on Goku’s telepathy. It links together Goku’s ability to telepathically communicate with Gohan during the fight with Vegeta, his ability to read Kuririn’s memories on Namek, and his ability to ‘hear’ what everyone was saying in his dreams while he was struggling with the heart virus as all being different manifestations of the same ability. It says that these telepathic abilities are a result of Goku’s training his spirit.

Freeza and his Followers

On p.59, it gives ‘psychokinesis’ as a common ability among the higher members of Freeza’s organization. We do in fact see Freeza, Ginyu, and Ghould all use this ability in the series. According to the daizenshuu, this is not a natural ability of their respective races, but an advanced technique that they all learned.…
Wow, Saiya-jins special ability is telepathy and psychokinesis’ is a common ability for freeza's organization!

I hope Saiyan puts up the scans on these!.

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:21 pm

Toriyama Boss wrote: Wow, Saiya-jins special ability is telepathy and psychokinesis’ is a common ability for freeza's organization!

I hope Saiyan puts up the scans on these!.
Actually, it says telepathy is unique to Goku. See, for each racial group it has a section on the abilities common for that group (for Saiyans this would be the ability to become an oozaru, to power up after recovering from near-death, etc.), and a section for abilities that only certain members of that group have (like Vegeta's ability to form the powerball). Telepathy is Goku's unique ability among Saiyans.

It does say that psychokinesis (did I explain what that is? It's the same thing as telekinesis, moving things from a distance without touching them) is a shared ability among Freeza's group, but only among the upper members, like Ginyu or Freeza himself. So presumably Appule doesn't have it.

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Post by testing223 » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:48 pm

Herms, is there any possible way to please see a larger scan of the characters' height comparisons?

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:57 pm

Well, Saiyan makes all the scans, so I'd have to ask him. He's probably busy with the other stuff I asked him to do, so it could take awhile.

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Post by caejones » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:00 pm

Herms wrote:edit: Old Scan Tucker was a fat old man, washed his face with a fryin pan, combed his hair with a wagon wheel, and died with a tooth ache in his heel!
I've been trying to remember that verse! The information in this thread runneth over!

Concerning racial abilities... how is SSJ listed?
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Post by FindKenshi » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:00 pm

That's awesome. It's intersting to know that psychokinesis isn't a natural ability of Freeza, but that he learned it. This implies Freeza actually did do some training, which is something I used to doubt. I figured Freeza, simply born with outstanding power, never really trained; he only counted on superior power over his opponent to win every fight.

Anyway, was Guldo (Gurdo) or however you pref to spell his name, mentioned by name in that factoid? Because I dunno if I really consider him an "upper member" of Freeza's organisation, he's just a member of Ginyu's team after all. And it seems weird to me thining that Guldo can't do all that naturally.

Anyway, oh noo that Gohan scan is too small to be translated? My hopes..crushed ><; lol i was really just wanting to know if it made reference to what state he was in when fighting Dabura. I know the Dabura profile says he fought ssj2 Gohan, but it's just nice to see if that profile said it too, by chance. Sometimes there may be inconsistencies within a book itself, you know.

Another intersting thing I noticed. Akkuman is listd as a "monster-type" Earthling?

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:18 pm

caejones wrote: Concerning racial abilities... how is SSJ listed?
Do you mean as in common versus unique abilities? It was listed as a common ability, 'common' presumably in the sense that several different Saiyans have it, and it's a chararistic of the entire race. Of course, only very few Saiyans ever reach it (5 out of...what, thousands at least?), but I think the idea here is that Saiyans are the only ones who can.
FindKenshi wrote: Anyway, was Guldo (Gurdo) or however you pref to spell his name, mentioned by name in that factoid? Because I dunno if I really consider him an "upper member" of Freeza's organisation, he's just a member of Ginyu's team after all. And it seems weird to me thining that Guldo can't do all that naturally.
I don't remember if he was mentioned by name in the body of the text (though I think he was), but the picture that they use to illustrate the entry for psychokinesis is a picture of Guldo lifting up a tree. While he is 'just' a member of the Ginyu Force, this still puts him at a much higher rank than the majority of the people in Freeza's organization (I think that the chart of Freeza's organization that they have in this section puts all of the Ginyu Force, including Guldo, well above Vegeta). As for the rest of the abilities he shows, such as stopping time, I think those were listed as being unique to him.

FindKenshi wrote: Anyway, oh noo that Gohan scan is too small to be translated? My hopes..crushed ><; lol i was really just wanting to know if it made reference to what state he was in when fighting Dabura. I know the Dabura profile says he fought ssj2 Gohan, but it's just nice to see if that profile said it too, by chance. Sometimes there may be inconsistencies within a book itself, you know.
I'm pretty sure it didn't; otherwise I would have written it down in my notes, since I was on the lookout for more information on the whole "SSJ or SSJ2?" issue. I think I mentioned earlier that I did fail to find anything saying that he never went SSJ2 after his match with Kibito, though.
FindKenshi wrote: Another intersting thing I noticed. Akkuman is listd as a "monster-type" Earthling?
Yes, which is interesting because Daizenshuu 7 says that he is native to the Demon World. Before he fights Goku in the manga, he taunts him by saying some to the effect of: "Care to visit my homeland...Hell?!". Daizensuu 7 says that he really meant the Demon World, which is sometimes called Hell (which isn't to say it's the same as the real Hell, the one below the Serpent Road). I may be getting ahead of myself, though.
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Post by DaemonCorps » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:23 pm

Ooh, that little not about Goku's random acts of telekinesis throughout the story is pretty interesting. I completely forgot he'd use that power every now and then. And when I didn't forget it, I always thought it was inherited from Bardock's ability that he got by the dying psychic alien. Then again, there's no info (at least none brought up) saying against that theory.

I've got all the text up from that Piccolo scan. I had to move around the screencaps from that bottom green box, so the captions won't look so squished (curse Japan writing text from top to bottom!). I'm just waiting for Toriyama Boss to put up the translation from that red box at the top and the little caption thing next to "Variety of DB" and that skinny blue box.

(Geez, going over that text in the bigger picture with Piccolo/eeg Piccolo in it was a pain! Forgive me if it's kinda crappy!)
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Post by Rocketman » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:48 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:And when I didn't forget it, I always thought it was inherited from Bardock's ability that he got by the dying psychic alien. Then again, there's no info (at least none brought up) saying against that theory.
And how, exactly, would it be inherited when Goku was already born before Bardock got that ability?

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Post by DaemonCorps » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:58 pm

Rocketman wrote:
DaemonCorps wrote:And when I didn't forget it, I always thought it was inherited from Bardock's ability that he got by the dying psychic alien. Then again, there's no info (at least none brought up) saying against that theory.
And how, exactly, would it be inherited when Goku was already born before Bardock got that ability?
They're psychic powers-- must they make sense?
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Post by Rocketman » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:16 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:They're psychic powers-- must they make sense?
Yes. Since they could only be transferred from the alien to Bardock via touch, and Bardock never touches Goku, you're wrong. Image

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:26 pm

DaemonCorps wrote: I've got all the text up from that Piccolo scan. I had to move around the screencaps from that bottom green box, so the captions won't look so squished (curse Japan writing text from top to bottom!). I'm just waiting for Toriyama Boss to put up the translation from that red box at the top and the little caption thing next to "Variety of DB" and that skinny blue box.
I think I can handle it, at least until he does.

The caption next to “Variety of DB” is just “Variety of DB” written out in katakana.

The text in the dark red circle inside the red box says “Anime Edition”

The text of the red box itself runs, roughly: “New stories that produced character models for the Dragon Ball anime! Printed in mooks* and anime comics, they introduced stories that were not related on TV.”

*a ‘mook’ is, according to Jim Breen’s online dictionary, a “thick illustrated publication on a single topic printed to look like a magazine”, the idea being that it’s a cross between a magazine and a book. I’d assume that the mooks referred to are the two Dragon Ball Z Anime Specials.

The skinny blue box says: “Piccolo Segment: In the Name of Piccolo Daimaou”

I’m not sure exactly what the best way to translate “編” is, but ‘segment’ probably gets the right sense across.

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Daizenshuu 7: Dragon Ball Great Encyclopedia
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Everything That Has Ever Existed in the Entire History of the Entire World Translated into Japanese and Put into Convenient Dragon Ball Guidebook Form


OK, this one broke me. Some of the contents of this daizenshuu:

• a character dictionary that includes every character in the manga, anime series, movies, and TV specials

• an item dictionary with every item used in the series

• a dictionary of all attacks, with an index for who uses them

• a location dictionary with every place in the manga, anime, movies, and TV specials

• a guide to what appears to be every single piece of Dragon Ball merchandise that existed when this daizenshuu was printed, including tankoubon, school supplies, video games, movies on VHS, a globe (?!) and the daizenshuu themselves. There’s pictures of all this stuff too

• a…numbers guide. They give, in numerical order, a list of numbers mentioned in the series. So you can look up ‘5’, and see that that’s how many seconds Taopaipai said it would take him to kill Goku, and how many tons Dr. Briefs said Vegeta would weigh in 300x Earth’s gravity (these particular examples are from memory and might not be completely accurate, but this is the sort of thing they have here).

• a random phrase guide…thing. It includes stuff like “The Grim Reaper of Justice!” (SSJ3 Gotenks’ self description) or “He’s the idiot champion of the world!” (Vegeta’s description of Mr. Satan at the Cell Games) or “I wonder if he’s an alien?...” (Oolong’s remark after Goku’s Oozaru transformation, which of course turned out to be completely correct). A really weird addition, but kind of interesting.

• a guide to some of the differences between the manga and anime, including descriptions of some interesting (i.e. non-staring contest) anime-only scenes, such as the naming of Gohan scene from before the Cell Games.

I didn’t take notes on any of that. I only had four days for my Thanksgiving break, and I needed to save some time for other activities, such as bathing.

So what did I take notes on? The first few sections of Daizenshuu 7, which include a timeline, an in-depth guide to the Dragon Ball world, and a dictionary of terms used in the series, such as ‘ki’, ‘Super Saiyan’, and the like. Just from this I ended up with plenty of notes.

Timeline
The very first thing in Daizenshuu 7 is the timeline, which gives the exact dates for the major events of the series and the series’ back story, all using the Dragon World’s unique calendar. The timeline was translated by Greg Werner way back in the day and spread around the internet by the army of people who shamelessly stole stuff from him, so its contents are fairly common knowledge (Greg blended together the timeline from Daizenshuu 7 with one from the Dragon Ball GT Perfect Files books, so his site’s timeline also contains some GT-related events).

However, there was one thing here that even Greg never figured out, and neither can I: shortly after Gohan’s birth, in 759-760, the timeline says the Goku was interviewed by Weekly Shounen Jump. What is this referring to? My only guess is that Shounen Jump must have printed some kind of in-character interview with Goku, similar to how the SBS sections in One Piece’s tankoubon sometimes contain segments that Oda writes as a certain character. But if anyone has any more information on this, please let me know.

While Greg’s site was and is one of the best Dragon Ball websites around, and he’s definitely my hero as far as Dragon Ball fandom goes, his timeline translation does contain several mistakes. The biggest one is that he translates ‘エイジ’ as ‘A.D.’. ‘エイジ’ is actually just the English word ‘age’ written out in katakana (the Japanese name for the computer game Age of Empires, for instance, is “エイジ オブ エンパイア シリーズ”). The actual way that the years of the Western calendar are written out in Japanese is as 西暦○○年or 紀元○○年, or simply ○○年, with the year number replacing the circles (I got all this from the Japanese Wikipedia).

Dictionary of Terms

OK, so I’m going to harp on this ‘Age isn’t A.D.’ topic some more. In the dictionary of terms there are entries for both the Age calendar and the Western, A.D. calendar (Age on p.44, Western on p.47, if I’m reading my notes right). It says that most places use the Age calendar, but there are still some places that use the Western calendar, such as Penguin Village (this is in reference to the fact that Dr. Slump did occasionally refer to the actual year while it was running in Jump).

In the entry for galaxy (p.44), it says that there is a galactic police squad, but that they’re not much good against Freeza or the Saiyans (presumably because they’re staffed by people like Mihoshi).

I mentioned this in my post on Daizenshuu 4, put the entry for Demon Clan (‘mazoku’, p.50) here does again establish that Piccolo Daimaou is a genuine demon.

In the entry for the Kaioushin Realm (p.45), it says that the Kaioushin Realm is 1/10th the size as the rest of the cosmos (which it orbits).

The entry for kiri (Babidi’s unit of measuring energy) is on p.46. It’s taken straight from the dialogue in the manga, so it’s useful but nothing revolutionary. Still, I owe Toriyama Boss a scan of this…

The Big Blocks of Text Pages (I can’t remember what this part is actually called)

These pages go really in-depth on the Dragon Ball world, its universe, and its cosmos. On p.37 it explains the whole system of gods, the afterlife, and everything. It says that while the gods for each planet themselves are chosen from among the inhabitants of each planet, their assistants come from the Other World. This means (and it explicitly says this) that Karin and Mr. Popo are originally from the Other World, not Earth.

This page goes on to say that the purpose of a planet having a god is so that the god can watch over the planet’s sentient life. An additional purpose is so that the god might guide immature sentient lifeforms in order to help them grow and achieve maximum happiness. This would all seem to imply that a planet with no life, or even one with only non-sentient life, would have no god. It doesn’t directly say this, though.

Gods also serve the function of approving people on their planet for training after death under the appropriate Kaiou.

It also says here (still on p.37) that while the lower Kaiou watch over the living world, the Kaioushin watch over the Other World as well as the living world. This might be part of the answer to what purpose the Kaioushin serve. Many people wonder about this, since having both a Kaiou and a Kaioushin for every galaxy seems…redundantly redundant. But if they watch over the Other World as well, they are doing a job that nobody else is doing. This makes sense in light of the Kaioushin Realm’s location, completely separate from the rest of the cosmos.

On p.39, it contains diagrams showing the relationship of the three main cultures (Earthling, Saiyan, and Namekian) with the rest of the universe. Saiyans of course went around conquering other planets, while Earthlings don’t interact with them at all. However, the Namekians are interesting in that while they apparently used to deal with other planets, once possessing spaceships and still knowing about Saiyans and the existence of aliens in general, they apparently stopped by the time of the main story. The daizenshuu says that they used to trade with other planets, but stopped after the cataclysm that only left Saichourou and Kami.

On p.41 it deals with religion. It says that while Christianity and Buddhism exist on the Dragon Ball Earth, most people are completely unaware of the existence of the true god, being of course Kami. I love how they phrase it that way, calling Kami the ‘true god’. You know, Christianity and Buddhism are a bunch of hooey; the REAL religion is Green Slugman-ism. If Viz ever translate this book, I guarantee that line isn’t remaining the same.

Anyway, how do we know the Dragon Ball Earth has Christianity and Buddhism? Well, for Buddhism Daizenshuu 7 includes in its terms dictionary the Buddhist chant “Namu Amida Butsu” (p.48), which Namu says when using his cross attack on Goku ( it’s the same chant he gets his name from; Viz changed it to “In the name of the Buddha”, or something like that). The entry notes that Namu’s knowledge of this chant reveals that Buddhism exists on Dragon Ball Earth. While it doesn’t say so, presumably similar logic was used to determine the existence of Christianity (“What are you doing?” “I’m a cross!”).

The daizenshuu goes on to say (back on p.41) that for the Saiyans, their god was the Super Saiyan. For Namekians, their ‘god’ was Polunga, but since Saichourou had created Polunga, that made him, like, their Super-God or something. So it says that for Namekians, religion was more a matter of filial piety towards Saichourou.

On p.42 it goes over major races. That damn Three Eyed Clan pops up again. It lists the Three Eyed Clan as being one of the races that appear in the manga, along with Saiyans and Namekians. The logic here is that since, according to the daizenshuu, Tenshinhan is a descendent of the Three Eyed Clan, and he appeared in the manga, then the Three Eyed Clan are in the manga. But of course the name itself wasn’t mentioned in the manga, unless I’m missing something major. Anyway, as you can see, the daizenshuu are very insistent on the idea the Tenshinhan is a descendent of the Three Eyed Clan. It’s not just some random mistake on one page. Take that as you will.

Coming off of that topic might not be the best time to mention what I think is the most bizzare line in all the daizenshuu, but that’s what’s next on my notes. On p.43 it goes over languages. It notes that from the manga there are two languages we see: Namekian and, well, the language everyone else uses. However, it goes on to say that since Sauzer, the genius of Planet Brenchi, knows over 7,000 languages, then there must be at least that many.

…what the?...

Um, well…Sauzer’s mad language skills aren’t mentioned in DBZ Movie 6, and they’re also not even mentioned in his bio in the character guide in this daizenshuu; same thing for his being from Planet Brenchi. I guess this is just some background information on him that wasn’t included in the movie, but the fact that it’s not mentioned anywhere else is kind of odd.

This part of the daizenshuu has some statistics I mentioned in my post of Daizenshuu 4. It says that 1% of earthlings are half-breeds with some other race, 7% are monster-type, 17% are animal-type, and that 75% are the regular human-type. I didn’t mention this before (I didn’t notice), but it gives these statistics as being from Age 784, which would be around the end of the series. It also gives the Namekian as being composed 86% Dragon Clan Namekians and 14% Warrior Type Namekians. This is from Age 762, before Freeza attacked Namek.

Wrap Up
I’ll also mention here for completion’s sake another thing I mentioned earlier, which is that the foldout for this daizenshuu, which has a picture of every even remotely important characters from the manga, lists Ultimate Gohan as ‘Super Son Gohan’, with the ‘super’ part really the kanji ‘chou’ given the reading for the English word ‘super’.
I’ll end by mentioning one thing from the character guide, which I said I wouldn’t cover, but whatever. Freeza’s bio lists his species as being a Transformable Alien Lifeform (変身可能な宇宙生物). Compare this to Daizenshuu 4, which lists him and Zarbon as both being Transforming-Type Aliens (変身型宇宙人).

With that, I finish my brief run-through of Daizenshuu 7. That means I’ve finished with all the daizenshuu. Yeah!
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Post by FindKenshi » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:25 am

In the words of Ocean Dub Jeice after Recoome kicked Vegeta into the water.

Hey [Herms], you rock!

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Post by testing223 » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:39 am

Herms wrote:On p.41 it deals with religion. It says that while Christianity and Buddhism exist on the Dragon Ball Earth, most people are completely unaware of the existence of the true god, being of course Kami. I love how they phrase it that way, calling Kami the ‘true god’. You know, Christianity and Buddhism are a bunch of hooey; the REAL religion is Green Slugman-ism. If Viz ever translate this book, I guarantee that line isn’t remaining the same.
Hahahaha, that's awesome.

If that was printed here, Viz's offices would be firebombed and DBZ banned in several states.

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Post by FindKenshi » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:59 am

Herms wrote:• a dictionary of all attacks, with an index for who uses them
Is this from the manga only, or does it include attacks that were seen in the anime, and possibly even movies? (I know you didn't take notes, but you may have at least skimmed through it?) Just curious. The answer to this question may be one of the deciding factors of me actually buying these. I'm still struggling with myself on that issue.
Herms wrote:It says that while the gods for each planet themselves are chosen from among the inhabitants of each planet, their assistants come from the Other World. This means (and it explicitly says this) that Karin and Mr. Popo are originally from the Other World, not Earth.
Spectacular. This is the kind of stuff I craved out of this topic. "New info" that you would not know about, had you only watched the anime and read the manga. That's very interesting to discover.
Herms wrote:However, the Namekians are interesting in that while they apparently used to deal with other planets, once possessing spaceships and still knowing about Saiyans and the existence of aliens in general, they apparently stopped by the time of the main story. The daizenshuu says that they used to trade with other planets, but stopped after the cataclysm that only left Saichourou and Kami.
That's something I always gathered from the manga/anime alone. They had to have once been an advanced, space-faring people, since Kami came to Earth on a Namekian spaceship that happened to be uber super fast compared to Earth technology. Also Saichoro did know what Saiyans were, and even knew the Super Saiyan legend. Also, later in the Buu saga, Dende knew exactly who "Metamorians" (I'm unsure if that's the proper name of them) were. When Goku first started talking about Fusion, Dende was all like "Fusion? You mean the metamorian fusion?" and Goku was like "yep." So those Namekians were no slouches.
Herms wrote:However, it goes on to say that since Sauzer, the genius of Planet Brenchi, knows over 7,000 languages, then there must be at least that many.

…what the?...

Um, well…Sauzer’s mad language skills aren’t mentioned in DBZ Movie 6, and they’re also not even mentioned in his bio in the character guide in this daizenshuu; same thing for his being from Planet Brenchi. I guess this is just some background information on him that wasn’t included in the movie, but the fact that it’s not mentioned anywhere else is kind of odd.
That.. is odd. As well as being hillariously funny. Maybe they just decided they wanted to attatch that little "factoid" to one of the alien characters, and basically threw a dart at a dart board with names on it, in order to decide. That's what it seems like to me.

Speaking of Sauzer, I know that in Sparking Meteor, aka Tenkaichi 3, when you read his character profile it mentions that he's from the same Star System as Zarbon, and that he fought Captain Ginyu for the right to lead Cooler's Armored Squadron. That isn't from the Daizenshuu, is it? And again, if it isn't, where in the heck is Spike getting this stuff from? :shock:

Anyway, I wouldn't take that bit about Freeza being a "transforming-type alien" thing to mean that's litteraly what his species is called, nor that Zarbon is a member of that species. I'd say it's more like that is just a group name that many different species could be classified as, in an "animal Kindgdoms" sense? Maybe? Anyway thank you for sharing all of this information.

EDIT: I was just reminded of something else I wanted to comment on. I find it very strange that the Daizenshuu refer to Namekian "civilians" as the "dragon clan." Unless VIZ was way off in that chapter, I thought Saichoro says that the reason Piccolo should not have died to Saiyans is that he's "a true scion of the Dragon Clan". This makes it seem to me like this "Dragon Clan" is a super elite group of Namekians? Also I thought I remember Muri saying something during the Cell Saga that Dende can make Dragonballs because he's a member of the Dragon Clan. Well if the Daiz is saying that the Namekians who weren't warrior type were "Dragon Clan", then that means practically everyone on Namek could have made their own Dragonballs? I'm not sure about that one, personally.
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Post by Adamant » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:07 am

Herms wrote: For instance, DBZ Movie 3 was shown with animated adaptations of Pink and Kenosuke-sama, both one-shot manga by Toriyama (p.68).
Wait, what? Are these available somewhere? I'd love to see them.

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Post by SaiyamanMS » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:32 am

It also gives the Namekian as being composed 76% Dragon Clan Namekians and 14% Warrior Type Namekians. This is from Age 762, before Freeza attacked Namek.
76% + 14% = 90%... Where's the other 10% of Namekians? o.o

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Post by Olivier Hague » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:26 am

FindKenshi wrote:Speaking of Sauzer, I know that in Sparking Meteor, aka Tenkaichi 3, when you read his character profile it mentions that he's from the same Star System as Zarbon
Same star system as Jees, actually, I believe.
and that he fought Captain Ginyu for the right to lead Cooler's Armored Squadron. That isn't from the Daizenshuu, is it? And again, if it isn't, where in the heck is Spike getting this stuff from? :shock:
It looks like Coora's henchmen got a lot of (extraneous) background info, compared to other movie villains. These tidbits were first revealed in Weekly Jump, right before the movie opened (and I would think that's also the source for that thing about Thouser's language skills).

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