Well, now for that, I cannot argue. And yeah, I am splitting hairs, but that's only because that was the only part of the argument that I can make a logical argument to. It's the only one where I can actually use facts to support my arguments rather than just stating my opinion. And that's not an insult to you or anyone else, it's just what your saying ties in to something that's been on my mind for a while now. So here's what may be a bit of a derail, if you're wondering about why I'm "splitting hairs"...ABED wrote:You're splitting hairs. It's not the semantics here that bothers me, what bothers me is Faulconer's constant misunderstanding of the characters and series which he is scoring. I never claimed Faulconer's music is bad because he doesn't play using traditional orchestral instruments, it's bad because it doesn't fit the show, it's usually bland, it runs together, it sounds cheap, it often plays up the wrong emotion, if any. I don't mind a synthesizer as long as it doesn't sound cheap and I can emotionally invest in the music and the scene. It has ZERO to do with the "coconut effect" God I hate that site.
So here's the thing. I don't think there's much of a point to arguing about whether or not something is "fitting" or "bland" or not. Those are such relative words that can mean so many different things to so many people. Just think of all those topics that Ree posted, and what he said about a dub being accurate if it's "only 30%" of the dialogue is inaccurate. Or just think about that one discussion you had with that guy who thought that Cynthia Cranz (Chi-Chi) and Chris Rager (Mr. Satan) had too strong of a Texan accent. The reason you and them have so much trouble convincing each other is because there's not any kind of magic standard for something that's entirely subjective to begin with.
Like, if you and I were to get into an argument about whether or not Team Faulconer "used enough orchestral tracks" in their work...just how in the world would I "win" the argument? How exactly would we even define "too much" or "too little", scientifically speaking? Would we say that there needs to be at least 1 orchestral piece for every 3 rock or techno tracks in order for it to be "just right"? Because I'll tell you what, there may be guys who would have an entirely different ratio in mind. Some might think having ANY rock or techno tracks would be too much, while OTHER people might say that a "1 to 6 ratio" of orchestral to rock and techno tracks would be "just right"...
So really, the only way someone wins an argument like this is if they...
A) Have a louder voice than the other guy
B) There are more people on their side than the other guy
C) Have more patience and persistence than the other guy
Now, am I going on and on about this? Maybe. But whenever I read a thread like this, it always seems like there's a lot of resentment being created over something that's not even based on fact. It's generally over something that's based on opinion, and you just can't WIN those kinds of arguments! The best you can do is just shout at each other over and over again!
And to be clear, I'm talking about the kinds of arguments I tend to see on message boards in general. I'm not singling anyone out here. I'm just saying that if it seems like I avoid addressing your main point, it's because I CAN'T address it! Not with anything based on facts anyways! Does that sound reasonable?
EDIT: Heck, you said it yourself...
So if I keep repeating myself on the Faulconer score, it's because the question of it being orchestral or not is the only thing I can counter without falling into the trap you described above.ABED wrote:I guess we could get into a pissing contest of "yeah huh" and "nuh uh", but I'm 30, and I'm getting to old for this shit as they say.