The utter failure that is Revival of F.

[Cetra]

RF on the other hand was made from Toriyama liking a concert and wanting to bring Freeza back for the fun of it... and it was definitely a bunch of fun!

Freeza was revived because one guy from Toei asked Toriyama-san to bring Freeza back. There is even a link to it on kanzenshuu somewhere. I think in the main thread of Ressurrection F.

[Hellspawn28]

I thought Toriyama brought back Freeza because he like a song that was based around Freeza?

[Hero]

RF on the other hand was made from Toriyama liking a concert and wanting to bring Freeza back for the fun of it... and it was definitely a bunch of fun!

Freeza was revived because one guy from Toei asked Toriyama-san to bring Freeza back. There is even a link to it on kanzenshuu somewhere. I think in the main thread of Ressurrection F.

Really? Can you give a link to that because I don't remember hearing or reading that before?

[dae428]

RF on the other hand was made from Toriyama liking a concert and wanting to bring Freeza back for the fun of it... and it was definitely a bunch of fun!

Freeza was revived because one guy from Toei asked Toriyama-san to bring Freeza back. There is even a link to it on kanzenshuu somewhere. I think in the main thread of Ressurrection F.

Really? Can you give a link to that because I don't remember hearing or reading that before?

Honestly, the whole thing is a bit iffy. It's not really known for sure who's idea it was. It's mainly attributed to Toriyama, but I do remember watching an interview somewhere where some producer said that resurrecting Freeza was his idea. That said, it was just one small insignificant interview. I don't think that holds too much water in terms of reliability.

Edit: Found the video. A producer mentions that it was his idea at around the 5:35 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvvO7XK7f5g

[Cetra]

RF on the other hand was made from Toriyama liking a concert and wanting to bring Freeza back for the fun of it... and it was definitely a bunch of fun!

Freeza was revived because one guy from Toei asked Toriyama-san to bring Freeza back. There is even a link to it on kanzenshuu somewhere. I think in the main thread of Ressurrection F.

Really? Can you give a link to that because I don't remember hearing or reading that before?

Asking someone to find 1 specific post in a 1500 pages thread with 30000 posts ...

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I wouldn't take anything that video says seriously. It was full of misinformation like Gohan being Goku's only son and BoG was done entirely in CGI. I really wouldn't put any stock in what that videos says.

[Hellspawn28]

Maximum the Hormone – “F” song seem like it was the one that give Toriyama to bring back Freeza.

This time, Freeza will be revived!
The “F” stands for “Freeza”.
This is because it’s an idea that came to me in a flash after I listened to a song called “F” by Maximum the Hormone, whom I had been introduced to by a friend, back when I was fretting over what to do about the story for the next movie.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/04/16/ne ... f-content/

[Cetra]

Maximum the Hormone – “F” song seem like it was the one that give Toriyama to bring back Freeza.

This time, Freeza will be revived!
The “F” stands for “Freeza”.
This is because it’s an idea that came to me in a flash after I listened to a song called “F” by Maximum the Hormone, whom I had been introduced to by a friend, back when I was fretting over what to do about the story for the next movie.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/04/16/ne ... f-content/

I know that. That is the problem. There are two different stories.

[eledoremassis02]

I think it was a few things. I think TOEI liked it cause it was A. Frieza and B. So many complained how there wasnt enough fighting in BOG that we pretty much got DBZ Fighting the movie. C. Those two things have a larger international appeal.

[ABED]

Rank doesn't equal strength. Plus that was before Freeza actually trained too. I'm not saying that Piccolo struggling against that mook wasn't stupid, I'm just saying that you can't really say that they 'nerfed' Piccolo given there's not necessarily anything concrete that explicitly states that Shisame was as strong as Zarbon or Dodoria.
I'm certain they said he's as strong as them. They weren't talking about his rank. And logically it makes little sense, why go through all the trouble to revive Freeza if Shisami can give Piccolo a run for his money?

[SaiyanZ]

I thought Toriyama brought back Freeza because he like a song that was based around Freeza?

That's what Toriyama said, but in the Imagine-Nation special, the producer of the movie said he was the one who decided to bring Freeza back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvvO7XK7f5g

[GeeRod]

I see ROF as a training arc/movie. We got Freeza coming back, Goku and Vegeta learning they have to fight together and new transformations to all three of them. I had a lot of fun with this movie and IMO this movie is just that...fun! Is not suppose to setup things and expand the universe of DB like BOG did.

I don't think it was a utter failure, we got some great fight scenes, Jaco was really funny and a cool new transformation.

[dae428]

I'm certain they said he's as strong as them. They weren't talking about his rank. And logically it makes little sense, why go through all the trouble to revive Freeza if Shisami can give Piccolo a run for his money?

Even if he was as strong as Zarbon and Dodoria, there's the whole training with Freeza for several months thing too. Honestly though, I kind of figure it's a bit pointless to argue about it... The movie gives us so little information when it comes to strength that it almost feels pointless to debate this kind of thing. In any case, what little facts we do know tend to lean towards your position; so I guess I'll concede this.

By the way does no one else read my posts?! I put up the interview video and gave my own explanations and yet immediately after, people don't seem to notice and seem to be posting up the video again and repeating what I said prior. Am I just hard to understand?! Is my grammar just really sloppy or something?!

[Geekdom101]

I wouldn't say failure but... certainly there were many missed opportunities.

[Lord Exor]

The cogency and quality of the plot becomes subordinate to fighting power debates... gotta love Kanzenshuu.