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Krillin1994 wrote:Piccolo (Android saga pre Kami) vs Frieza
Chapter: 356 (DBZ 162), P3.1
God: “Things turned out this way against the androids…Even for that ‘Trunks’ boy who came from the future and instantly obliterated Freeza and his father..."
This implies to me that Piccolo couldn't deal with Freeza and Cold, or at the very least that he couldn't just one-shot them like Trunks could. As a result of this, on the subject of the Piccolo vs Namek 100% Freeza match-up, I have them as basically equal. Give or take 10 million battle power points. Piccolo would eke out a win due to his massive stamina advantage, but Freeza would make him work for it, and has a chance of winning if he lands a lucky Death Saucer- or if he lands a lucky Nova Strike and capitalizes on the opportunity.
7/10 for Piccolo.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Krillin1994 wrote:Piccolo (Android saga pre Kami) vs Frieza
Freeza gets his skull kicked in. I don't think that Freeza can really do anything at all to anyone past the Trunks arc (besides the weak humans and Gohan).
Krillin1994 wrote:Piccolo (Android saga pre Kami) vs Frieza
Piccolo for the win. He is more exp and frieza is cocky.
Now new fight
Ssj Gohunks (black saga, gohan and trunks) vs final form frieza (RoF)?
I think Gohan could take that Freeza by himself at this point. Since he was on par with Piccolo, who was implied to be on par with the base saiyans, and a weaker version of base Goku dominated Freeza.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Krillin1994 wrote:Vegeta and Trunks (both pre ROSAT) vs Android 18
#17's comment is a good implication that #18 probably would have trouble fighting both of them. But she will eventually win mainly due to her infinite stamina, but it won't be an easy work. Add Piccolo there, and the result will be the exact opposite.
Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P1.1-3 Context: after Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, and Kuririn arrive
No.17: “My my, some help has arrived. Even No.18 probably won’t be able to take them all on. No choice, shall I go? Or will you go, No.16?”
Grimlock wrote:Super Saiyan God with Kaio-Ken Goku vs Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta.
SSGSS Vegeta one shots.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Krillin1994 wrote:Tien (buu saga) vs Goku (Super Saiyan on Namek)
I kind of feel at this stage Tien may actually be strong enough to fight a Super Saiyan without simply using Tri Beam.
We know he couldn't fight a substantially stronger Trunks in that form, but Tien spent the next 7 years training.
If Goku stomps, then how about the ROF saga Tien. I'm assuming that he keeps his training up still following the defeat of Majin Buu.
Very simply:
Krillin > Tenshinhan
Base Vegeta [Android arc] > Krillin
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Krillin1994 wrote:Tien (buu saga) vs Goku (Super Saiyan on Namek)
I kind of feel at this stage Tien may actually be strong enough to fight a Super Saiyan without simply using Tri Beam.
We know he couldn't fight a substantially stronger Trunks in that form, but Tien spent the next 7 years training.
If Goku stomps, then how about the ROF saga Tien. I'm assuming that he keeps his training up still following the defeat of Majin Buu.
Tenshinhan is nowhere near strong enough to even scratch Super Saiyan Goku, even with the Kikoho. The best he'd manage is to pin him down for a little while like he did with Cell, and even then, Goku's familiar enough with the Kikoho that he'd probably dodge it and knock out Ten in one blow. Same with RF Tenshinhan.
Current SSj2 Future Trunks vs. (In no real order):
Tagoma (ROF Super version. Not the movie version)
Pikkon
Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Majin Vegeta
Fat Buu
Ginyu Tagoma
Janemba
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
Buuhan
Krillin1994 wrote:Tien (buu saga) vs Goku (Super Saiyan on Namek)
I kind of feel at this stage Tien may actually be strong enough to fight a Super Saiyan without simply using Tri Beam.
We know he couldn't fight a substantially stronger Trunks in that form, but Tien spent the next 7 years training.
If Goku stomps, then how about the ROF saga Tien. I'm assuming that he keeps his training up still following the defeat of Majin Buu.
There is no reason to beileve tien trains at all. Base namek goku >>>> Tien (peakest) IMO.
Grimlock wrote:Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs Super Saiyan Gohan (the one who fought against Dabra).
Super Saiyan 1 Trunks one-shots.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Current SSj2 Future Trunks vs. (In no real order):
Tagoma (ROF Super version. Not the movie version)
Pikkon
Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Majin Vegeta Fat Buu Ginyu Tagoma Janemba
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
Buuhan
Who does he beat and who does he lose too?
It was stated that he is really good by beerus, who called SS3 goku trash. He might just clear the list.
Grimlock wrote:Super Saiyan God with Kaio-Ken Goku vs Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta.
If this is based off of the super manga we know when Vegeta fought hit he was 1/10th the strength of full power and that SSG goku was stronger.
So we know Super Saiyan God is less than 10x weaker than Super Saiyan Blue.
Assuming you're talking about Goku using Kaioken x 10 he wins.
I'd say that since Vegeta got wrecked by hit and Goku SSG actually was destroying him that it is probably 3 times stronger than weakened Vegeta so 1 third of Super Saiyan Blue.
Weakened Vegeta = 1
Hit = 2
Goku SSG = 3
Vegeta SSB = 10
Goku SSG w KKx10 = 30
Though maybe Goku being 50% stronger than hit isn't enough to decimate him the way he did. So maybe him being twice as strong would be logical
Weakened Vegeta = 1
Hit = 2.5
Goku SSG = 5
Vegeta SSB = 10
Goku SSG w KKx10 = 50
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