Depleted final form Frost is still vastly superior than first form frost. Although he clearly wasn't that depleted. Nowhere did it say that Piccolo was using an attack that broke through his limit. It was more likely an attack that used a lot of his power.
In the sub I saw it did say that Piccolo's only hope was in using an attack that broke through his limits. Whether that's in the main Dragon Team subs or not I don't know, it's just what I saw in that one video. I'll look at the proper subs later.
Saying that I use logic in my arguments is no different than implying that one shouldn't use logic in debates like these. I've never had anyone challenge my arguments before by saying that I use logic. That is just peculiar. There's a reason why it is famously self-contradictory to not use logic in logical reasoning, because doubting logic also requires logic.
No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you're putting logic into something that does not follow such logic. Vegeta got X strong in Y years so Trunks can only have improved by Z amount does not follow in this series. As I said before Goku trained with Kami and Mr Popo for 3 years, he reached a power level of around 350ish. Tien, Yamcha, Krillin and I believe also Yajirobe and Chiaotzu trained with Kami and Mr Popo for under 1 year and yet their power levels vastly surpassed Goku's.
Tagoma went from Zarbon level to Perfect Cell or higher level just from being beaten around for a few months. Somehow that made him as strong or stronger than a perfect biological android who was made up of cells from the most powerful beings in the Universe. There is no logic to that but it happened that way because the plot called for Tagoma to be strong enough to be a threat to the other characters.
What the plot calls for has far more precedence than power levels following any kind of logic. That's why characters like Cabba and Magetta are (near) God level even though they just appear to be regular aliens.
Further, I don't see how I'm the one who's off track given that I was 100% right about the two base theory being in the manga and Future Trunks not being anywhere above SSJ3 Gotenks.
What in the manga proved those two things to be right? I haven't paid much attention to the manga lately.