"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Tired of Toyotaro throwbacks, once again.

I wonder if Future Trunks will borrow Vegeta's attacks in the manga too

[LightBing]

Tired of Toyotaro throwbacks, once again. The first page with Barbarian and the fish is just like Goku in the first chapter.

That's a reach, the only thing in common is the fish and the direction. Contrary to the other throwbacks, which basically trace the original panels. The last panel might be a throwback or it's such a common sight that I'm confusing it with a previous moment.

[Miracles]

The green rings allow one to go to the parallel world.
Trunks trained with Vegeta in gravity room, hence why he was strong enough to battle against Black and Zamsu.
I told y'all.

[Gig]

Just read chapter 17.
LOL at the Super Mario Kart reference. It feels a bit weird, but is funny!

[ekrolo2]

Would anyone else love it if Toyotaro had Gogeta appear instead of Vegetto? It would make for a fun reversal of the 90s where Gogeta appeared in the animated format first and Vegetto for the manga as a replacement for him, now it would be the reverse.

[ryou766]

Would anyone else love it if Toyotaro had Gogeta appear instead of Vegetto? It would make for a fun reversal of the 90s where Gogeta appeared in the animated format first and Vegetto for the manga as a replacement for him, now it would be the reverse.

I don't thinK Toriyama would have an issue with it, since he'd like for Toyotaro to do his own thing too. It'd be interesting, and it could still work. Gogeta being used to wear down Merged Zamasu until they can seal him away.

[Grimlock]

Would anyone else love it if Toyotaro had Gogeta appear instead of Vegetto?

Me. And it would be way better if that happen.

[LightBing]

Would anyone else love it if Toyotaro had Gogeta appear instead of Vegetto? It would make for a fun reversal of the 90s where Gogeta appeared in the animated format first and Vegetto for the manga as a replacement for him, now it would be the reverse.

Nope, since Gogeta should even exist because Vegeta is decently shorter than Goku. Never understood how people ignore that. I guess the anime messing up the character's height might be the cause.

[ekrolo2]

Would anyone else love it if Toyotaro had Gogeta appear instead of Vegetto? It would make for a fun reversal of the 90s where Gogeta appeared in the animated format first and Vegetto for the manga as a replacement for him, now it would be the reverse.

Nope, since Gogeta should even exist because Vegeta is decently shorter than Goku. Never understood how people ignore that. I guess the anime messing up the character's height might be the cause.

Vegeta becoming a good guy is making him taller

[Grimlock]

Height was never a problem for the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta. The "similar height" is required only for the fingers part of the dance. Otherwise the fusion won't work, as we saw in Dragon Ball GT, Goku went back to be a kid and Vegeta remained as Super Saiyan 4, the fusion didn't work because of the height.

Also, Toriyama said recently that the Metamoran fusion doesn't have anymore of that requirements. Don't know why people still ignore Toriyama's statement.

[LightBing]

Vegeta becoming a good guy is making him taller

What?! They told me as a kid to drink milk! Time to go help grannies cross the street.

Height was never a problem for the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta. The "similar height" is required only for the fingers part of the dance. Otherwise the fusion won't work, as we saw in Dragon Ball GT, Goku went back to be a kid and Vegeta remained as Super Saiyan 4, the fusion didn't work because of the height.

Also, Toriyama said recently that the Metamoran fusion doesn't have anymore of that requirements. Don't know why people still ignore Toriyama's statement.

Could you please direct me towards that statement? First time I heard of it.

[Sandubadear]

Could you please direct me towards that statement? First time I heard of it.

Q4: Can anybody perform Fusion if their body size and power are the same?
Toriyama: It’s hard, but they can!
I think it’s possible to merge no matter the conditions, as long as it all goes well. I even think it’s possible for a larger number of people. However, since it’s quite hard for both parties to strike that delicate balance, it’s very difficult for two extremely different people to fuse. In that sense, synchronized swimmers would probably be really good at Fusion. By the way, there are many different types of Fusion, and the kind Goku learned is the one for increasing battle power.

Goku and Vegeta are not that different in height. Only kid Goku and SS4 Vegeta, but that's a different story.

[LightBing]

Could you please direct me towards that statement? First time I heard of it.

Q4: Can anybody perform Fusion if their body size and power are the same?
Toriyama: It’s hard, but they can!
I think it’s possible to merge no matter the conditions, as long as it all goes well. I even think it’s possible for a larger number of people. However, since it’s quite hard for both parties to strike that delicate balance, it’s very difficult for two extremely different people to fuse. In that sense, synchronized swimmers would probably be really good at Fusion. By the way, there are many different types of Fusion, and the kind Goku learned is the one for increasing battle power.

Goku and Vegeta are not that different in height. Only kid Goku and SS4 Vegeta, but that's a different story.

Thank you. I could see it happen based on this. Although the way it happened in the movie completely diminished the difficulty Mr.Toriyama is talking about, it forces the fusion without caring for the writing.
Did the same thing happened in DBGT?

If it happened in the manga, I would only like it if Vegeta made an effort to learn the dance. Any learn it on the spot shenanigans would be awful.

[Sandubadear]

Thank you. I could see it happen based on this. Although the way it happened in the movie completely diminished the difficulty Mr.Toriyama is talking about, it forces the fusion without caring for the writing.
Did the same thing happened in DBGT?

If it happened in the manga, I would only like it if Vegeta made an effort to learn the dance. Any learn it on the spot shenanigans would be awful.

Yes.

[LightBing]

Yeah..., I don't like that at all. It just devalues everything before it. The kids had to actually learn the technique and even failed twice to show how hard it was.
With Goku and Vegeta it should be even harder than with the kids, since they have more differences than Goten and Trunks had.
It's just bad writing.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Would anyone else love it if Toyotaro had Gogeta appear instead of Vegetto? It would make for a fun reversal of the 90s where Gogeta appeared in the animated format first and Vegetto for the manga as a replacement for him, now it would be the reverse.

Nope, since Gogeta should even exist because Vegeta is decently shorter than Goku. Never understood how people ignore that. I guess the anime messing up the character's height might be the cause.

Even ignoring Toriyama's recent statement, it was said in the manga that the fighters should have similar heights, not exactly the same. Goku was trying to persuade Vegeta to do Fusion in the manga, so they shouldn't have any issues.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Goku and Vegeta are not that different in height.

It depends on what point in the story you're in, and whether you're talking about the manga or the show. Vegeta's height is oddly inconsistent.

[Freeza9000]

Would anyone else love it if Toyotaro had Gogeta appear instead of Vegetto? It would make for a fun reversal of the 90s where Gogeta appeared in the animated format first and Vegetto for the manga as a replacement for him, now it would be the reverse.

Nope, since Gogeta should even exist because Vegeta is decently shorter than Goku. Never understood how people ignore that. I guess the anime messing up the character's height might be the cause.

Vegeta becoming a good guy is making him taller

You mean, he GROWS as a character... ahhhhhh.

[Noah]

Goku and Vegeta are not that different in height.

How so?

Goku is 5.9 (175 cm) and Vegeta is 5.5 (164 cm), that's some difference in height.

[alakazam^]

Veget is the stronger fusion so he's a better choice than Gogeeta and him being permanent brings more tension to the battle when they defuse.