"Goku never kissed": Do you take it as a joke or (un)funny trivia?

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"Goku never kissed": Do you take it as a joke or (un)funny trivia?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:53 am

I want to believe it as a joke and I even blamed it on Toei but even the manga is it so it's probably something Toriyama wrote in... though I wouldn't mind it so much if it was added to improve the story instead of pandering to certain fanbases, like most of Super is like. It's show a lack of profession on the writer's part to blatantly over two pairings (one... really, really shitty) over another and it dehumanizes Goku's character.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:56 am

Neither.

He didn't say he never kissed. He meant that he never delivered a Senzu in the manner that Trunks just did to Mai. The joke there was the miscommunication with Vegeta. That was all.
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Post by Chuquita » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:59 am

I'm still hoping it's miscommunication on Gokû's part and Vegeta's imagination running away with him, as it seems in the anime at least.

With the manga being more direct...I want it to be a setup for Gokû to get a kiss at the end of the arc.
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Post by ABED » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:00 pm

How is Super pandering to certain segments of the fanbase?
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Post by Helios518 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:12 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Neither.

He didn't say he never kissed. He meant that he never delivered a Senzu in the manner that Trunks just did to Mai. The joke there was the miscommunication with Vegeta. That was all.
If the DBS manga is anything to go by, then Goku indeed never kissed.

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[spoiler]Page 52
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Goku: “Whaah?! He’s sticking their lips together…!”
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Vegeta: “Haven’t you ever…done that before?”
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Goku: “Hm? Done what?”
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Vegeta: “Haven’t you…ever kissed…?”
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Goku: “Of course not!”
Vegeta: “….Aren’t you married?”
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Goku: “Huh? What’s that got to do with it?”
Vegeta: “N…Never mind…”[/spoiler]

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Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:17 pm

Helios518 wrote:If the DBS manga is anything to go by, then Goku indeed never kissed.
Obviously, there is no official canon, and it all comes down to preference, but I don't take the manga as canon. Supplementary information, sure, but something that conflicts or contradicts the anime is overruled. In this case, he didn't say he never kissed in the anime, so in my personal headcanon (and because it's not a retcon), that takes precedence over the manga.
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Post by Helios518 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:22 pm

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Helios518 wrote:If the DBS manga is anything to go by, then Goku indeed never kissed.
Obviously, there is no official canon, and it all comes down to preference, but I don't take the manga as canon. Supplementary information, sure, but something that conflicts or contradicts the anime is overruled. In this case, he didn't say he never kissed in the anime, so in my personal headcanon (and because it's not a retcon), that takes precedence over the manga.
I see, you should've clarified that in your original post because that one seems like you were treating it as a fact as oppose to your view.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:25 pm

Helios518 wrote:I see, you should've clarified that in your original post because that one seems like you were treating it as a fact as oppose to your view.
Apologies. I phrased it as such because I wasn't aware of the line in the manga being so much more direct.
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Post by Trickster » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:25 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Obviously, there is no official canon, and it all comes down to preference, but I don't take the manga as canon. Supplementary information, sure, but something that conflicts or contradicts the anime is overruled. In this case, he didn't say he never kissed in the anime, so in my personal headcanon (and because it's not a retcon), that takes precedence over the manga.
But, if you WILL take the Super series as canon, I think it makes much more sense to give more credibility to manga, since there is more involvement of Toriyama on it than in the anime. Altought we already know Toriyama only gives a little draft to Toyotaro/Toei conduct the arcs the way they want to.
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Post by sintzu » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:32 pm

It's Goku so I'm not that surprised.
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Post by Alruneia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:50 pm

It's unfunny trivia. It's not a fact they needed to add, because it "alienates" (ha) Goku so much. Even Vegeta kisses (judging from his expression and the fact that he's married too), so why can't Goku have done it? He has two sons, damn it! But, even though it annoys me, it's said in both the anime and the manga, with the manga being very specific (the deflection theory where Goku thought Vegeta meant mouth-to-mouth Senzu feeding doesn't work in the manga), so there's nothing to be done about it. Goku seriously hasn't ever kissed, that's just how it is.
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Post by Kanassa » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:53 pm

It's an oddity that people are overacting too. Yes, it's entirely possible, even if unlikely.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:and it dehumanizes Goku's character.
Less human... Because he hasn't kissed his wife?
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by ABED » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:56 pm

Kanassa wrote:It's an oddity that people are overacting too. Yes, it's entirely possible, even if unlikely.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:and it dehumanizes Goku's character.
Less human... Because he hasn't kissed his wife?
You don't think someone not kissing their wife is odd? If it's human to be affectionate with one's spouse, then certainly the opposite would make him less human.
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Post by Kanassa » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:57 pm

ABED wrote:
Kanassa wrote:It's an oddity that people are overacting too. Yes, it's entirely possible, even if unlikely.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:and it dehumanizes Goku's character.
Less human... Because he hasn't kissed his wife?
You don't think someone not kissing their wife is odd?
''It's an oddity'', ''Even if unlikely''. Being odd does not make one less human, or Goku's character would already be dehumanised.
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Post by precita » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:10 pm

It also doesn't make sense from Chi-Chi's perspective. Let's say Goku doesn't know how to kiss.

But are you seriously going to say Chi-Chi has never kissed Goku in 40+ years? How is that even believeable? Chi-Chi was obsessed with marriage and romance, why would she not kiss him?

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Post by ABED » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:16 pm

Kanassa wrote:
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Kanassa wrote:It's an oddity that people are overacting too. Yes, it's entirely possible, even if unlikely.

Less human... Because he hasn't kissed his wife?
You don't think someone not kissing their wife is odd?
''It's an oddity'', ''Even if unlikely''. Being odd does not make one less human, or Goku's character would already be dehumanised.
This isn't merely odd. What person doesn't show affection to someone they've slept with?
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Post by Kanassa » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:23 pm

ABED wrote:
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ABED wrote:You don't think someone not kissing their wife is odd?
''It's an oddity'', ''Even if unlikely''. Being odd does not make one less human, or Goku's character would already be dehumanised.
This isn't merely odd. What person doesn't show affection to someone they've slept with?
Kissing isn't the only way to show affection
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:24 pm

A unfunny joke. It's pointless and you can ignore it if you want.
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Post by Kishido » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:27 pm

Goku is a certified G. Able to make Chi Chi 2 kids and she stills cooks for him. At least it explaines her bad mood

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Post by ABED » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:37 pm

Kissing isn't the only way to show affection
No, never said it was, but it's a big one. This is a joke that stretched credibility too far for the sake of the joke. Goku's had sex at least twice, but never kissed in nearly 40 years?
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