Vegeta from that arc is probably close to Namek Arc Base Goku, and Piccolo feels comfortable challenging him so he too must be at the same level.dragon boss z wrote:When Frieza transformed to his 3rd form he didn't one shot Piccolo, so I doubt someone slightly above second form Frieza tier would one shot 1st form Frieza unless they use their ultimate move.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Piccolo could easily oneshot first form Frieza, his power level in this movie is definitely well over a million. Also, by the time Mecha Frieza came to Earth Piccolo was capable of matching the base Saiyans so he has to be at 2.5-3 million.dragon boss z wrote:
Goku never goes all out and tries to kill his opponents and Piccolo might not of even been 3rd form Frieza tier yet, so I don't know where you get he can take on 3 3rd form Frieza tiers at the same time.
At the highest they are right below first form Freeza. Probably less because Piccolo probably couldn't one shot first form Frieza.
Also there is no proof Piccolo was as strong as base saiyans then. Maybe as strong as base Vegeta but not Goku.
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You have to understand Zamasu is an arrogant God.He holds back a lot even in the face of death.Gritting his teeth in anger,panting for breath or screaming does not mean he's going all out.Beerus did the same back in his fight against SSJG Goku but we all know Beerus is quite a few tiers above SSJG Goku.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Merged Zamasu is overhyped and overrated, probably can't even beat Hit without immortality.Zamasu55 wrote:The High Priest is the strongest angel of Dragon Ball. Do you really think Merged Zamasu has a chance?Polyphase Avatron wrote:Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu
Gowasu said Zamasu's power is beyond the understanding of Gods.Goku said he can't beat Zamasu without fusing meaning Kaioken x10 isn't going to do anything to Zamasu not to mention Vegito himself had to actually try against Zamasu.Not too mention Goku in this arc is stronger than the Goku in the universal tournament arc.
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Baby would jest steal his body as he dit to Goten.Hellspawn28 wrote:DBS SSj2 Future Trunks vs. Bebi (Non Bebi Vegeta)
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I disagree with you guys. Hit is weaker than SsjR Goku as the Toei dude stated. Merged Zamasu, even without immortality, wrecks him.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Also, Hit hadn't even completed his improvement by that time so we still haven't seen the limits of his power, for all we know he could improve even further, especially when he doesn't have the no-kill restriction. And Merged Zamasu was getting jobbed by Goku before he even started using Kaioken, and once he did use the Kaioken Zamasu was down in one hit and had his halo broken.Lord Beerus wrote:I also think without his immortality, Hit could make quick work of him. Hit was able to still stand and fight like before even after a heavy assault from SSJB Goku at ten times its strength. And this was Hit holding back in strength by a good degree. Hit would waste Merged Zamasu.TheUltimateNinja wrote: Merged Zamasu is overhyped and overrated, probably can't even beat Hit without immortality.
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1) Cellza vs. Hit.Zamasu55 wrote:I disagree with you guys. Hit is weaker than SsjR Goku as the Toei dude stated. Merged Zamasu, even without immortality, wrecks him.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Also, Hit hadn't even completed his improvement by that time so we still haven't seen the limits of his power, for all we know he could improve even further, especially when he doesn't have the no-kill restriction. And Merged Zamasu was getting jobbed by Goku before he even started using Kaioken, and once he did use the Kaioken Zamasu was down in one hit and had his halo broken.Lord Beerus wrote: I also think without his immortality, Hit could make quick work of him. Hit was able to still stand and fight like before even after a heavy assault from SSJB Goku at ten times its strength. And this was Hit holding back in strength by a good degree. Hit would waste Merged Zamasu.
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But Goku could wreck Black using only SSBlue whereas he needed Kaioken x10 for Hit.Zamasu55 wrote:I disagree with you guys. Hit is weaker than SsjR Goku as the Toei dude stated. Merged Zamasu, even without immortality, wrecks him.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Also, Hit hadn't even completed his improvement by that time so we still haven't seen the limits of his power, for all we know he could improve even further, especially when he doesn't have the no-kill restriction. And Merged Zamasu was getting jobbed by Goku before he even started using Kaioken, and once he did use the Kaioken Zamasu was down in one hit and had his halo broken.Lord Beerus wrote: I also think without his immortality, Hit could make quick work of him. Hit was able to still stand and fight like before even after a heavy assault from SSJB Goku at ten times its strength. And this was Hit holding back in strength by a good degree. Hit would waste Merged Zamasu.
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Merged non-immortal Zamasu did fairly good against SsjB Vegito. Do you think Hit can do that?TheUltimateNinja wrote:But Goku could wreck Black using only SSBlue whereas he needed Kaioken x10 for Hit.Zamasu55 wrote:I disagree with you guys. Hit is weaker than SsjR Goku as the Toei dude stated. Merged Zamasu, even without immortality, wrecks him.TheUltimateNinja wrote: Also, Hit hadn't even completed his improvement by that time so we still haven't seen the limits of his power, for all we know he could improve even further, especially when he doesn't have the no-kill restriction. And Merged Zamasu was getting jobbed by Goku before he even started using Kaioken, and once he did use the Kaioken Zamasu was down in one hit and had his halo broken.
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Yep, Zamasu got jobbed by Father Son Galick Gun, then Goku's Kamehameha, and then got wrecked by Kaioken Goku. I believe Hit could easily beat all 3 of the former and therefore also Vegetto.Zamasu55 wrote:Merged non-immortal Zamasu did fairly good against SsjB Vegito. Do you think Hit can do that?TheUltimateNinja wrote:But Goku could wreck Black using only SSBlue whereas he needed Kaioken x10 for Hit.Zamasu55 wrote: I disagree with you guys. Hit is weaker than SsjR Goku as the Toei dude stated. Merged Zamasu, even without immortality, wrecks him.
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Gotenks gets wasted. Base Saiyans are still below Freeza, by all accounts according to Beerus in BOG. So I don't think Base Goten and Trunks fusing could make up the x50 multiplier is strength needed to definitively conquer Freeza. Cell, especially Full Power Perfect Cell, is in a completely different realm of strength compared to the base Saiyans, even in the Majin Boo arc. So Gotenks has no chance against Cell unless he goes Super Saiyan.Angelus wrote:Pre-ROSAT Base Gotenks VS Full Power Perfect Cell
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I dunno, I actually have base Gotenks dead even with Freeza by that point. There's no way he's tackling any of Cell's forms though.Lord Beerus wrote:Gotenks gets wasted. Base Saiyans are still below Freeza, by all accounts according to Beerus in BOG. So I don't think Base Goten and Trunks fusing could make up the x50 multiplier is strength needed to definitively conquer Freeza. Cell, especially Full Power Perfect Cell, is in a completely different realm of strength compared to the base Saiyans, even in the Majin Boo arc. So Gotenks has no chance against Cell unless he goes Super Saiyan.
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That's really weak though, how on earth was he expected to fight Majin Buu then?DanielSSJ wrote:I dunno, I actually have base Gotenks dead even with Freeza by that point. There's no way he's tackling any of Cell's forms though.Lord Beerus wrote:Gotenks gets wasted. Base Saiyans are still below Freeza, by all accounts according to Beerus in BOG. So I don't think Base Goten and Trunks fusing could make up the x50 multiplier is strength needed to definitively conquer Freeza. Cell, especially Full Power Perfect Cell, is in a completely different realm of strength compared to the base Saiyans, even in the Majin Boo arc. So Gotenks has no chance against Cell unless he goes Super Saiyan.
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As a Super Saiyan.TheUltimateNinja wrote:That's really weak though, how on earth was he expected to fight Majin Buu then?
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You have Majin Buu at only 6 billion?DanielSSJ wrote:As a Super Saiyan.TheUltimateNinja wrote:That's really weak though, how on earth was he expected to fight Majin Buu then?
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Okay, how powerful would a being be that's 50 times weaker than SSJ3 Goku? Because that would be the minimum power of a pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks, if they expected the fusion to beat Fat Buu?
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Well no. As Daizenshuu 7 implies that he only surpasses Vegeta after powering up in the Room of Spirit and Time, I don't having him being a match for Boo until after that. Coincidentally, my current list (still in progress) has the fat Majin Boo at 12 billion.TheUltimateNinja wrote:You have Majin Buu at only 6 billion?DanielSSJ wrote:As a Super Saiyan.TheUltimateNinja wrote:That's really weak though, how on earth was he expected to fight Majin Buu then?
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That reminds me of a really humorous post I saw on another forum, a user cited that Daizenshuu entry to justify his placement of Gotenks, and another user said it's vague and could mean Base Gotenks surpassed Majin Vegeta, not SSJ Gotenks, so the first user replied, "In that case why don't we say Gotenks surpassed Base Vegeta with SSJ3?"DanielSSJ wrote:Well no. As Daizenshuu 7 implies that he only surpasses Vegeta after powering up in the Room of Spirit and Time, I don't having him being a match for Boo until after that. Coincidentally, my current list (still in progress) has the fat Majin Boo at 12 billion.TheUltimateNinja wrote:You have Majin Buu at only 6 billion?DanielSSJ wrote: As a Super Saiyan.
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Great Ape Selypa vs. Dodoria.
Android 18 vs. Piccolo after fusing with Kami.
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I don't know how high Selypa's power level is but she would need a minimum base power level of 2,300 to be able to overcome Dodoria. Nappa is apparently 4,000 and he's an elite. If Selypa has a power level of 2,300 before going great ape, then she can beat Dodoria. If not, she's screwed.SSJFutureTrunks wrote:Great Ape Selypa vs. Dodoria.
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It's also worth noting that Selypa might not have control over her Great Ape state. If going Ozaru turns her into a dumb animal like it did Goku and Gohan, Dodoria should be able to take her out due to being able to strategize, especially since he of all people would know enough about Saiyans to know how to reverse the transformation. Of course, if she does have control, that changes things a lot.Angelus wrote:I don't know how high Selypa's power level is but she would need a minimum base power level of 2,300 to be able to overcome Dodoria. Nappa is apparently 4,000 and he's an elite. If Selypa has a power level of 2,300 before going great ape, then she can beat Dodoria. If not, she's screwed.
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