If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball canon
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If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball canon
The SSJ4 Gogeta from Dragon Ball GT with the same exact mind-set as Super Gogeta from Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn would be unstoppable.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
He loses to Omni-King, Future Omni-King, probably the Omni-King Guards, the Grand Priest, and I'm still feeling Vados and Whis. This is the minimum.
SSB Kaio-Ken Vegito probably comes close to winning, if not wins.
SSB Kaio-Ken Vegito probably comes close to winning, if not wins.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Massively disagree. SSJG Goku could take him IMO. There isn't anything in GT that can compete with what SSJG was showing in the fight with Beerus, so I'm saying SSJG takes him.
Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Super Saiyan God Goku from feats & statements is more than enough to easily defeat Gogeta with ease(he one shots him with a stare because the gap between them is that insane)
also it's hilarious you think he can beat Zeno especially after his latest feat
This basically GT lacks the feats and statements that tgey can do anything god tiers in Super can casually doSora Saiyan wrote:Massively disagree. SSJG Goku could take him IMO. There isn't anything in GT that can compete with what SSJG was showing in the fight with Beerus, so I'm saying SSJG takes him.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Statements arent worth S, 'cause of unreliable hyperbolic narration.
But featwise, GT is so under Super power... SSJ4 isnt even much stronger than 3, just stable. God on the other hand, can rip the fabric universe if misused. So, get your pick. SSJ4 Gogeta has nothing to do with, say SSJB Vegetto or even Black or Golden Freezer.
But featwise, GT is so under Super power... SSJ4 isnt even much stronger than 3, just stable. God on the other hand, can rip the fabric universe if misused. So, get your pick. SSJ4 Gogeta has nothing to do with, say SSJB Vegetto or even Black or Golden Freezer.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
DragonBallLove wrote:Statements arent worth S, 'cause of unreliable hyperbolic narration.
But featwise, GT is so under Super power... SSJ4 isnt even much stronger than 3, just stable. God on the other hand, can rip the fabric universe if misused. So, get your pick. SSJ4 Gogeta has nothing to do with, say SSJB Vegetto or even Black or Golden Freezer.
You can't do that. Just because it lacks feats you can't assume it is weak.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
SSJB lacks feats as well.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
SSGSS has statements of it being stronger than SSJGDBZAOTA482 wrote:SSJB lacks feats as well.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Mmmmm no...(not factoring general power differences between series as a whole) SSB Vegito, Fused Zamasu, the Grand Priest and Zeno are definitely more then powerful enough to match him, beat him or last long enough for the fusion to run out.
I cannot speak for Beerus, Champa, Whis or Vados as none of them have used their full power.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Considering what we've seen in Super from the likes of SSJG Goku, Beerus and Omni King, I would have to disagree with the idea that SSJ4 Gogeta could beat anyone from an Dragon Ball canon.
I don't want to come across as "that guy", but this feels like a bit of a bait thread.
I don't want to come across as "that guy", but this feels like a bit of a bait thread.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
As far as comparing GT to Super goes...
Omega Shenron was, at best, capable of causing a much more gradual version of the "Goku vs. Beerus universe-destroying punch shockwave" thing by spreading the negative energy all across the universe if he hadn't been destroyed first. He also survived Gogeta's ultimate attack thanks in part to regeneration, though if I'm remembering right it was implied that a second one would've finished him off if Gogeta hadn't defused first. That says, to me at least, that while Gogeta is way ahead of Omega it's not as insanely huge as the gap between Super Buu and Vegerot was back at the end of Z -- Gogeta has to actually put forth a good bit of effort to destroy him. But anyway... considering that he wanted to destroy everything, I don't see him holding back universe-destroying punch shockwaves if he was capable of them, so it's probably safe to say he's significantly below SSj God Goku's level and not capable of destroying the entire universe in any way other than by spreading too much negative energy over time. Considering that, and the fact that he survived Gogeta's first attempt at getting serious and finishing him off, I can't really see SSj4 Gogeta being ahead of SSj God Goku's level -- or at least not very far ahead of it, even if you want to go for the highest possible levels for the GT characters. He's certainly not anywhere near being up there with Beerus or Champa, anyway.
Super Saiyan God Goku fighting all-out against Beerus risked destroying the universe by accident, at least until Goku learned how to focus his newly-gained godly power so that the shockwaves didn't spread beyond the scene of the battle. Beerus and Champa fighting all-out would risk destroying both of their universes, either by accident or due to them just not caring how much they wreck. Whis and Vados are strong enough to knock Beerus/Champa out instantly with a simple karate chop. The Grand Priest is even stronger than those two, and he's considered to be among the five strongest beings in all existence. And then there's Zen'ou (who I figure it's safe to say is the #1 strongest in all existence) who can destroy a universe (or six, or possibly twelve) in an instant if he gets annoyed... from inside said universe. And survive it. Without any apparent difficulty.
Yeah, nobody in GT measures up to the higher-end Super characters.
Omega Shenron was, at best, capable of causing a much more gradual version of the "Goku vs. Beerus universe-destroying punch shockwave" thing by spreading the negative energy all across the universe if he hadn't been destroyed first. He also survived Gogeta's ultimate attack thanks in part to regeneration, though if I'm remembering right it was implied that a second one would've finished him off if Gogeta hadn't defused first. That says, to me at least, that while Gogeta is way ahead of Omega it's not as insanely huge as the gap between Super Buu and Vegerot was back at the end of Z -- Gogeta has to actually put forth a good bit of effort to destroy him. But anyway... considering that he wanted to destroy everything, I don't see him holding back universe-destroying punch shockwaves if he was capable of them, so it's probably safe to say he's significantly below SSj God Goku's level and not capable of destroying the entire universe in any way other than by spreading too much negative energy over time. Considering that, and the fact that he survived Gogeta's first attempt at getting serious and finishing him off, I can't really see SSj4 Gogeta being ahead of SSj God Goku's level -- or at least not very far ahead of it, even if you want to go for the highest possible levels for the GT characters. He's certainly not anywhere near being up there with Beerus or Champa, anyway.
Super Saiyan God Goku fighting all-out against Beerus risked destroying the universe by accident, at least until Goku learned how to focus his newly-gained godly power so that the shockwaves didn't spread beyond the scene of the battle. Beerus and Champa fighting all-out would risk destroying both of their universes, either by accident or due to them just not caring how much they wreck. Whis and Vados are strong enough to knock Beerus/Champa out instantly with a simple karate chop. The Grand Priest is even stronger than those two, and he's considered to be among the five strongest beings in all existence. And then there's Zen'ou (who I figure it's safe to say is the #1 strongest in all existence) who can destroy a universe (or six, or possibly twelve) in an instant if he gets annoyed... from inside said universe. And survive it. Without any apparent difficulty.
Yeah, nobody in GT measures up to the higher-end Super characters.
Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Another thing i would like to add.Before anyone brings up powerscaling it truly won't matter because GT characters cannot replicate the feats or statements shown,and the narrator in GT surely didn't have anything impressive to say about their strength unlike what the narrator said about Goku and Beerus multiple times.
The narrator in episode 13 has this to say about Goku and Beerus
https://gfycat.com/AngryAlarmedAnura
Then at the end of episode 13 he has this to say
https://gfycat.com/GregariousMadAnnelid
"Hitting each other again and again with the power to destroy the universe."
Literally every hit Goku and Beerus are landing has the power packed in it to destroy the universe and it's not just the physical universe as well but the other world and the kai realm as well.
Do I really need to point out that no one in GT comes even close to striking that hard?
But the scary thing is that this isn't their full power because in episode 14 Goku and Beerus power up yet again and get even stronger.
The narrator in episode 13 has this to say about Goku and Beerus
https://gfycat.com/AngryAlarmedAnura
Then at the end of episode 13 he has this to say
https://gfycat.com/GregariousMadAnnelid
"Hitting each other again and again with the power to destroy the universe."
Literally every hit Goku and Beerus are landing has the power packed in it to destroy the universe and it's not just the physical universe as well but the other world and the kai realm as well.
Do I really need to point out that no one in GT comes even close to striking that hard?
But the scary thing is that this isn't their full power because in episode 14 Goku and Beerus power up yet again and get even stronger.
This is an excellent post.Pantalones wrote:As far as comparing GT to Super goes...
Omega Shenron was, at best, capable of causing a much more gradual version of the "Goku vs. Beerus universe-destroying punch shockwave" thing by spreading the negative energy all across the universe if he hadn't been destroyed first. He also survived Gogeta's ultimate attack thanks in part to regeneration, though if I'm remembering right it was implied that a second one would've finished him off if Gogeta hadn't defused first. That says, to me at least, that while Gogeta is way ahead of Omega it's not as insanely huge as the gap between Super Buu and Vegerot was back at the end of Z -- Gogeta has to actually put forth a good bit of effort to destroy him. But anyway... considering that he wanted to destroy everything, I don't see him holding back universe-destroying punch shockwaves if he was capable of them, so it's probably safe to say he's significantly below SSj God Goku's level and not capable of destroying the entire universe in any way other than by spreading too much negative energy over time. Considering that, and the fact that he survived Gogeta's first attempt at getting serious and finishing him off, I can't really see SSj4 Gogeta being ahead of SSj God Goku's level -- or at least not very far ahead of it, even if you want to go for the highest possible levels for the GT characters. He's certainly not anywhere near being up there with Beerus or Champa, anyway.
Super Saiyan God Goku fighting all-out against Beerus risked destroying the universe by accident, at least until Goku learned how to focus his newly-gained godly power so that the shockwaves didn't spread beyond the scene of the battle. Beerus and Champa fighting all-out would risk destroying both of their universes, either by accident or due to them just not caring how much they wreck. Whis and Vados are strong enough to knock Beerus/Champa out instantly with a simple karate chop. The Grand Priest is even stronger than those two, and he's considered to be among the five strongest beings in all existence. And then there's Zen'ou (who I figure it's safe to say is the #1 strongest in all existence) who can destroy a universe (or six, or possibly twelve) in an instant if he gets annoyed... from inside said universe. And survive it. Without any apparent difficulty.
Yeah, nobody in GT measures up to the higher-end Super characters.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Who ever said it was?Saiyan007 wrote:SSGSS has statements of it being stronger than SSJGDBZAOTA482 wrote:SSJB lacks feats as well.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Wow. SSj4 Gogeta's strength is completely underestimated here. People seem to forget that base Goku in GT was equal to ssj3 Goku in Z. Then you add all the multipliers onto that which would make ssj4 Goku at LEAST equal to ssj god goku. Although ssj4 Gogeta still would be weaker than Whis and Beerus, he definitely would not lose to anyone weaker than SSJB Goku and Vegeta.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
It's not a matter of being underestimated it's just that SSJG Goku has shown better feats and has better statements surrounding him than Gogeta haskinisking wrote:Wow. SSj4 Gogeta's strength is completely underestimated here.
Base GT Goku doesn't have the strength to casually throw around universal energy so it being equal to ssj3 goku doesn't mean anything.People seem to forget that base Goku in GT was equal to ssj3 Goku in Z.
No it wouldn't because Gogeta has never been shown or stated to "hit someone again and again with enough power to destroy the universe"Then you add all the multipliers onto that which would make ssj4 Goku at LEAST equal to ssj god goku.
He would get embarrassed by SSJG Goku because Gogeta just hasn't shown anything/has anything said about him that matches up to what SSJG Goku can doAlthough ssj4 Gogeta still would be weaker than Whis and Beerus, he definitely would not lose to anyone weaker than SSJB Goku and Vegeta.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
Except that base form Goku in Super is so far above Ssj3 Goku's base form in Z that even without Ssj God or Ssj Blue, mid Super Goku is above anything Ssj4 Goku has going for him. After all, base form copy-Vegeta was shrugging off attacks from Ssj3 Gotenks, who was far stronger than Z-era Ssj3 Goku, and base Goku at that point in Super was able to go toe to toe with copy-Vegeta without issue.kinisking wrote:Wow. SSj4 Gogeta's strength is completely underestimated here. People seem to forget that base Goku in GT was equal to ssj3 Goku in Z. Then you add all the multipliers onto that which would make ssj4 Goku at LEAST equal to ssj god goku. Although ssj4 Gogeta still would be weaker than Whis and Beerus, he definitely would not lose to anyone weaker than SSJB Goku and Vegeta.
Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
That's why I said he would only lose to ssb goku or stronger.Darkprince410 wrote:Except that base form Goku in Super is so far above Ssj3 Goku's base form in Z that even without Ssj God or Ssj Blue, mid Super Goku is above anything Ssj4 Goku has going for him. After all, base form copy-Vegeta was shrugging off attacks from Ssj3 Gotenks, who was far stronger than Z-era Ssj3 Goku, and base Goku at that point in Super was able to go toe to toe with copy-Vegeta without issue.kinisking wrote:Wow. SSj4 Gogeta's strength is completely underestimated here. People seem to forget that base Goku in GT was equal to ssj3 Goku in Z. Then you add all the multipliers onto that which would make ssj4 Goku at LEAST equal to ssj god goku. Although ssj4 Gogeta still would be weaker than Whis and Beerus, he definitely would not lose to anyone weaker than SSJB Goku and Vegeta.
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Re: If he was serious like in Fusion Reborn, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta would beat anything and anyone from any Dragon Ball c
But he's done nothing to put him on the level of SSJG Goku let one SSGSS tierskinisking wrote:That's why I said he would only lose to ssb goku or stronger.Darkprince410 wrote:Except that base form Goku in Super is so far above Ssj3 Goku's base form in Z that even without Ssj God or Ssj Blue, mid Super Goku is above anything Ssj4 Goku has going for him. After all, base form copy-Vegeta was shrugging off attacks from Ssj3 Gotenks, who was far stronger than Z-era Ssj3 Goku, and base Goku at that point in Super was able to go toe to toe with copy-Vegeta without issue.kinisking wrote:Wow. SSj4 Gogeta's strength is completely underestimated here. People seem to forget that base Goku in GT was equal to ssj3 Goku in Z. Then you add all the multipliers onto that which would make ssj4 Goku at LEAST equal to ssj god goku. Although ssj4 Gogeta still would be weaker than Whis and Beerus, he definitely would not lose to anyone weaker than SSJB Goku and Vegeta.