Yes, because the dude said "Black at his strongest", who's much above Hit as stated in the latest interview.TheUltimateNinja wrote: Are you sure Black can beat Hit so easily? Goku needed Kaioken x10 to fight Hit whereas he only needed a rage boost to start wrecking Black even though he was just stabbed and was on the verge of collapsing.
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If this is freeza who fought goku, he loses handily. If this is freeza at full power in his final form, he 3-shots.Angelus wrote:U6 Final Form Frost (No poison sting) VS Final Form Frieza (DBS, Resurrected)
[Not the usual Final Form Frieza, but the resurrected one from DBS, who ended up fighting Base Goku... before turning Golden Frieza, and the latter turning SSJB as a response]
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But this would mean Goku became over 10x stronger than he was at the Tournament which makes no sense.Zamasu55 wrote:Yes, because the dude said "Black at his strongest", who's much above Hit as stated in the latest interview.TheUltimateNinja wrote: Are you sure Black can beat Hit so easily? Goku needed Kaioken x10 to fight Hit whereas he only needed a rage boost to start wrecking Black even though he was just stabbed and was on the verge of collapsing.
Frost is a joke to Frieza, Piccolo would get annihilated by First Form Frieza, yet he is able to put up a fight against Final Form Frost.apex_pretador wrote:If this is freeza who fought goku, he loses handily. If this is freeza at full power in his final form, he 3-shots.Angelus wrote:U6 Final Form Frost (No poison sting) VS Final Form Frieza (DBS, Resurrected)
[Not the usual Final Form Frieza, but the resurrected one from DBS, who ended up fighting Base Goku... before turning Golden Frieza, and the latter turning SSJB as a response]
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That was the initial SSJR Black though. After that beat down he powered up to Scimitar mode and then after a further beating he powered up even more to Scythe mode. We never saw the full capabilty of Black at his best what with fusing early on.Are you sure Black can beat Hit so easily? Goku needed Kaioken x10 to fight Hit whereas he only needed a rage boost to start wrecking Black even though he was just stabbed and was on the verge of collapsing.
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I doubt his power increased all that much, even if he surpassed Vegeta at his max, Vegeta was still weaker than Goku, therefore Black is probably at the same level of strength as SSBlue Goku who was able to overpower Merged Zamasu.Bullza wrote:That was the initial SSJR Black though. After that beat down he powered up to Scimitar mode and then after a further beating he powered up even more to Scythe mode. We never saw the full capabilty of Black at his best what with fusing early on.Are you sure Black can beat Hit so easily? Goku needed Kaioken x10 to fight Hit whereas he only needed a rage boost to start wrecking Black even though he was just stabbed and was on the verge of collapsing.
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More like a heavily trained piccolo barely put up a fight against a weakened holding back frost.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Frost is a joke to Frieza, Piccolo would get annihilated by First Form Frieza, yet he is able to put up a fight against Final Form Frost.apex_pretador wrote:If this is freeza who fought goku, he loses handily. If this is freeza at full power in his final form, he 3-shots.Angelus wrote:U6 Final Form Frost (No poison sting) VS Final Form Frieza (DBS, Resurrected)
[Not the usual Final Form Frieza, but the resurrected one from DBS, who ended up fighting Base Goku... before turning Golden Frieza, and the latter turning SSJB as a response]
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Frost wasn't holding back, he straight up told Piccolo he doesn't have the strength left to kill him (accidentally), and there isn't even that much time between F and the tournament, Piccolo would have boosted his power maybe 10-15% max.apex_pretador wrote:More like a heavily trained piccolo barely put up a fight against a weakened holding back frost.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Frost is a joke to Frieza, Piccolo would get annihilated by First Form Frieza, yet he is able to put up a fight against Final Form Frost.apex_pretador wrote: If this is freeza who fought goku, he loses handily. If this is freeza at full power in his final form, he 3-shots.
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Not to mention he was training with Gohan, who likely wouldn't have boosted his strength much. So, you're probably right; 10%-15% tops, though I'd bet closer to 5%.TheUltimateNinja wrote:There isn't even that much time between F and the tournament, Piccolo would have boosted his power maybe 10-15% max.
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I was being generous. And Piccolo did not improve considerably in the 4 years from the Buu Arc to F, so he most likely can't achieve much in a far shorter period of time.Anime Kitten wrote:Not to mention he was training with Gohan, who likely wouldn't have boosted his strength much. So, you're probably right; 10%-15% tops, though I'd bet closer to 5%.TheUltimateNinja wrote:There isn't even that much time between F and the tournament, Piccolo would have boosted his power maybe 10-15% max.
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Frost told vegeta that he won't hold back any more. He was confident in beating SS vegeta, who he thought equal to goku. Too bad Vegeta wasn't holding back as much as goku was.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Frost wasn't holding back, he straight up told Piccolo he doesn't have the strength left to kill him (accidentally), and there isn't even that much time between F and the tournament, Piccolo would have boosted his power maybe 10-15% max.apex_pretador wrote:More like a heavily trained piccolo barely put up a fight against a weakened holding back frost.TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Frost is a joke to Frieza, Piccolo would get annihilated by First Form Frieza, yet he is able to put up a fight against Final Form Frost.
There are over 8 months gap between tounrament and RoF, and Piccolo might have gotten new motivations to train, and had a training partner.
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Frost probably got brain damaged if he thought he stood any chance against Vegeta, so that doesn't really mean anything. He was most likely just talking crap, if he truly had more power to put out he would have used it against Goku. Also, 8 months is quite short, after the Cell Arc they had 7 whole years yet their gains were not that significant.apex_pretador wrote:Frost told vegeta that he won't hold back any more. He was confident in beating SS vegeta, who he thought equal to goku. Too bad Vegeta wasn't holding back as much as goku was.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Frost wasn't holding back, he straight up told Piccolo he doesn't have the strength left to kill him (accidentally), and there isn't even that much time between F and the tournament, Piccolo would have boosted his power maybe 10-15% max.apex_pretador wrote: More like a heavily trained piccolo barely put up a fight against a weakened holding back frost.
There are over 8 months gap between tounrament and RoF, and Piccolo might have gotten new motivations to train, and had a training partner.
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A couple of versus battles:
Golden Freeza vs Future Zamasu (immortal)
Final Form Coola vs Android No. 19
Hatchiyack vs Dabra
Golden Freeza vs Future Zamasu (immortal)
Final Form Coola vs Android No. 19
Hatchiyack vs Dabra
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- Future Zamasu wastes him even without immortality, he's capable of keeping up with non-rage boosted SSBlues.FreddleFrooby wrote:A couple of versus battles:
Golden Freeza vs Future Zamasu (immortal)
Final Form Coola vs Android No. 19
Hatchiyack vs Dabra
- Cooler crushes 19, 19 is far below SSJ Goku whereas Cooler is probably around ~75-80% of SSJ Goku's strength.
- Dabra loses, he's weaker than Cell.
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Hypothetical Golden Freeza with 1 year of training vs. SSB Vegetto.
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Current Goku alone destroys him easily, his Golden form was probably the peak of his potential, the only thing he could do from there was reduce its stamina drain. But assuming he has the same rate of improvement as before, he crushes even Beerus.SSJFutureTrunks wrote:Hypothetical Golden Freeza with 1 year of training vs. SSB Vegetto.
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At the 23rd Budokai, would either Tenshinhan or Krillin have been able to tank Yamcha's Sokidan?
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I don't think Yamcha was quite that pathetic compared to the rest of the cast just yet, so no. But depending on your definition of tanking, I guess Tenshinhan could, but he definitely wouldn't walk away unscathed.In Brightest Day wrote:At the 23rd Budokai, would either Tenshinhan or Krillin have been able to tank Yamcha's Sokidan?
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No, it would damage them if it hurt Kami even slightly.In Brightest Day wrote:At the 23rd Budokai, would either Tenshinhan or Krillin have been able to tank Yamcha's Sokidan?
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If they took a direct hit, I doubt that either one of them would die from a direct blow. At the same time, I don't think either of them would take it unscathed.In Brightest Day wrote:At the 23rd Budokai, would either Tenshinhan or Krillin have been able to tank Yamcha's Sokidan?
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Not tank. It would definitely damage them significantlyIn Brightest Day wrote:At the 23rd Budokai, would either Tenshinhan or Krillin have been able to tank Yamcha's Sokidan?