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DBZAOTA482 wrote:with the most character development,
I don't know how, when the 21st (which includes Goku and Kuririn's training) had Goku, Kuririn, Roshi, Nam and even Yamcha to an extent developing as characters. The 22nd had Roshi (whose development wasn't even completed in that arc, but the Daimao and 23rd tournament instead) and Tenshinhan (same as Roshi). The 23rd then showcased how everyone grew up, Tao and Tenshinhan severing their bond for good, Kuririn's maturity and Goku's improvement, among other subtle changes to the other characters.
the best fights,
Are we completely ignoring the fact that Piccolo Jr. vs Goku exists or something?
and best atmosphere is considered the worst.
Best atmosphere in what way? The 21st was a friendly tournament and the 23rd was a battle to save Earth. The 22nd was something in the middle and it didn't seem to decide what it really wanted to be. It feels like the most pointless of the 3, you could easily cram Tenshinhan (or just scrap the character entirely) into another arc and nothing would be lost.
MajinMan wrote:The 22nd tournament is my second favorite arc, so I'm happy to see it get some love. I think there was a miscount in the rankings because there are only 4 arcs left, but the rankings stopped at #6. Unless I'm mistaken of course.
The 3 way tie fucked me up. It's fixed now.
The numbers are still wrong. Now we have 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 10, 9, 8, 7, and 5.
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MajinMan wrote:The 22nd tournament is my second favorite arc, so I'm happy to see it get some love. I think there was a miscount in the rankings because there are only 4 arcs left, but the rankings stopped at #6. Unless I'm mistaken of course.
The 3 way tie fucked me up. It's fixed now.
The numbers are still wrong. Now we have 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 10, 9, 8, 7, and 5.
That fucking tie.
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sintzu wrote:I can't believe the Buu arc made it into the top 5.
It's great to see it get the recognition it deserves.
The Majin Boo arc is so greatly underappreciated. It has the strongest character development out of all the arcs in the original story, the best comedy, fantastic fights, the anime adaption of the arc is brilliant and filler is pretty damn good.
It's awesome.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Ignoring GT because I saw it years ago and barely remember it, I'm surprised with the results so far in part.
I'm shocked that the Red Ribbon Arc was placed so low. The arc has almost everything! It's the best adventure arc in the Dragon Ball by far (not that hard ), it hits the emotional notes - Grandpa Gohan reunion and Bora's death -, it has the most diverse set of enemies in a arc and significantly expands the World with the Karin Tower and Baba.
It's really, really good! I guess it's just me.
The low placement of the Champa Arc when compared to the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai and the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai is weird to me. All these tournaments in my opinion belong in the same tier. This shows a phenomenon to me, either bias because the arc is recent and the whole easy discredit of Super or the arc hasn't had the time the others had to ferment with the fans.
Just to participate a little my favourite arc is the Namek Arc and the least favourite is the RoF Arc. Looking at how those GT arcs placed even lower than RoF makes me scared of my eventual re-watch of GT.
#4 The 23rd Tournament (50 points) #3 The Freeza arc (56 points) #2 The Boo arc (79 points*) #1 The Saiyan arc! (97)
*The numbers are sightly off, I think it was more around 75.
Also, because this did pretty well, should I do another one ?
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The Majin Boo ranked second. I'm even more staggered it managed to beat out the Freeza arc.
I have no issue at all with the Saiyan arc ranking first, it's a great arc from start to finish.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
THE SAIYAN SAGA WON!!!! IT WON IT WON IT WON IT WON IT WON!!!!!!
That fucking saga is so slept on.... I love you guys.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Well, at least the Saiyan arc won but I can't agree with Boo being number 2. At least the Android arc isn't on here.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:Well, at least the Saiyan arc won but I can't agree with Boo being number 2. At least the Android arc isn't on here.
Same. I was hoping the Freeza arc would be second but I'll take Saiyan for number one anyways. Atleast the FT arc isn't in the top 5. Almost, but not quite
ekrolo2 wrote:Well, at least the Saiyan arc won but I can't agree with Boo being number 2. At least the Android arc isn't on here.
Same. I was hoping the Freeza arc would be second but I'll take Saiyan for number one anyways. Atleast the FT arc isn't in the top 5. Almost, but not quite
My shaky faith in man kind remains in tact
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Saiyan arc winning warms my heart. Best arc is best. By a large margin too!
Shocked Frieza lost to Buu though. Very surprised by that.
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1. Goku (Universe 7) has eliminated 6 competitor & Vegeta (Universe 7) has eliminated 6 competitors
I'm actually surprised Buu got that high considering there are quite a few complaints against it. It's my favorite so I approve. Same with the Saiyan saga being number 1. It so hard to find fault with that part of the story. It's damn near perfect.
Akyon wrote:Saiyan arc winning warms my heart. Best arc is best. By a large margin too!
Shocked Frieza lost to Buu though. Very surprised by that.
Can anyone who loves the saiyan arc so much explain why? It was great, but it was so short that I'm surprised.
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I was expecting Freeza to win, but Saiyan isn't a bad alternative. As others have touched on, it's a great arc from start to finish. I'd love to see more of these games. What will be next? Characters? Villains? Video games?
Akyon wrote:Saiyan arc winning warms my heart. Best arc is best. By a large margin too!
Shocked Frieza lost to Buu though. Very surprised by that.
Can anyone who loves the saiyan arc so much explain why? It was great, but it was so short that I'm surprised.
Best fight scenes, no writing hiccups, feels the most like OG Dragon Ball, Saiyan lore, the introduction of Vegeta, and great character development (for Goku, Gohan, and Piccolo).
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Anime Kitten wrote:I was expecting Freeza to win, but Saiyan isn't a bad alternative. As others have touched on, it's a great arc from start to finish. I'd love to see more of these games. What will be next? Characters? Villains? Video games?
I'm (probably) going to Chicago for the weekend, so I'll probably do one on Monday. I might do, Movies, Characters, or Villains, I'm not sure, but I want to finish it on Christmas.
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