What is every use of the Super Saiyan 2 form?

[Bullza]

I'm not particularly a fan of Super Saiyan 2, it looks cool enough but a lot of the time it's indistinguishable from the original Super Saiyan. I know there's been a lot of confusion and a lot discussions on whether Gohan was SSJ or SSJ2 against Broly or Dabura for example and the same kind of thing is happening with Super to an extent.

So I thought I'd make a thread and I want to see if we can list all the actual uses of the Super Saiyan 2 form. I'll even update this post with it maybe it can help people in the future.

I'm taking into account the the anime series, all the movies and even the Dragon Ball Super manga. Alright so what we got...

- Gohan uses it against Cell during the Cell Games

- Gohan uses it against Bojack

- Gohan uses it against Broly (I think that's right isn't it? Some art material seemed to confirm it)

- Gohan uses it when showing it off to Kibito

- Goku uses it to blow up Yakon

- Gohan uses it against Dabura (Anime only)

- Goku and then Vegeta use it prior to fighting before Buu is hatched

- Vegeta uses it against Majin Buu

- Goku uses it when showing the forms to Buu

- Vegeta uses it against Kid Buu

- Goku uses it against Beerus on King Kai's planet

- Vegeta uses it when Beerus slaps Bulma (Super only)

- Trunks uses it to kill Dabura (Manga only)

- Goku and Trunks use it when sparring

- Trunks uses it when sparring with his father

- Goku uses it to fight Zamasu on his planet

That's all that immediately comes to mind. What else you got?

[Kaboom]

Yes, the concept art for Movie 10 does seem to strongly indicate that Gohan used SS2 against Broli. It's not 100% confirmation but it's close enough.

Also, I would add "Gohan used it against Dabra (anime only)." Despite how things were clearly drawn and done in the manga, Toei seemed to have intentionally made Gohan a SS2 in their own way for that fight. Despite the lack of the manga's tell-tale lightning bolts, they drew him with the more intense face and aura lighting that's usually associated with SS2 in the anime, and added a handful of lines saying "Gohan was doing his very best" and "Gohan's max power is wide open" or something along those lines.

[sintzu]

Vegeta uses it to fight Fat Buu.

Gotenks uses it for a few seconds while powering up to Ssj3.

When Vegeta powered up in BOG his aura changed while doing so, so you can take that as him going Ssj2.

Goku uses it to fight Janemba and the monster from M13 before using Ssj3.

Vegeta also uses it in M12 & M13.

[dragon boss z]

Yes, the concept art for Movie 10 does seem to strongly indicate that Gohan used SS2 against Broli. It's not 100% confirmation but it's close enough.

Also, I would add "Gohan used it against Dabra (anime only)." Despite how things were clearly drawn and done in the manga, Toei seemed to have intentionally made Gohan a SS2 in their own way for that fight. Despite the lack of the manga's tell-tale lightning bolts, they drew him with the more intense face and aura lighting that's usually associated with SS2 in the anime, and added a handful of lines saying "Gohan was doing his very best" and "Gohan's max power is wide open" or something along those lines.

Gohan being ssj2 against Dabura only makes sense. Why wouldn't he fight with his full power?

And when you look at him he looks like a mix between ssj and ssj2, it's weird.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Yes, the concept art for Movie 10 does seem to strongly indicate that Gohan used SS2 against Broli. It's not 100% confirmation but it's close enough.

Also, I would add "Gohan used it against Dabra (anime only)." Despite how things were clearly drawn and done in the manga, Toei seemed to have intentionally made Gohan a SS2 in their own way for that fight. Despite the lack of the manga's tell-tale lightning bolts, they drew him with the more intense face and aura lighting that's usually associated with SS2 in the anime, and added a handful of lines saying "Gohan was doing his very best" and "Gohan's max power is wide open" or something along those lines.

Gohan being ssj2 against Dabura only makes sense. Why wouldn't he fight with his full power?

And when you look at him he looks like a mix between ssj and ssj2, it's weird.

That's just him having a serious face

[Bullza]

It does partly look like Super Saiyan 2 but there's just no sparks. I know Goku and Vegeta both used SSJ2 when fighting each other but I can't remember if their were sparks the whole time.

That's usually the problem, sometimes the spark are there and sometimes they aren't. The original Super Saiyan form has had sparks now and then too.

[TheUltimateNinja]

It does partly look like Super Saiyan 2 but there's just no sparks. I know Goku and Vegeta both used SSJ2 when fighting each other but I can't remember if their were sparks the whole time.

That's usually the problem, sometimes the spark are there and sometimes they aren't. The original Super Saiyan form has had sparks now and then too.

They did have a ton of lightning while they were fighting.

[nickzambuto]

Mr. Satan used it when he defeated Cell.

[Bullza]

They did have a ton of lightning while they were fighting.

Yeah I just checked and they both do. Which would be odd why Toriyama would draw them multiple times that way when we know for certain they're Super Saiyan 2 but then he wouldn't draw Gohan that way when fighting Dabura at around the same time.

In the Super manga Trunks beat Dabura quite easily when he turned Super Saiyan 2 but Gohan seemed to be having a hard time so it wouldn't really make sense for him to be sing Super Saiyan 2.

I'd say he was just using Super Saiyan against Dabura, in the manga anyway.

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

What even is the aesthetic difference between SS1 and SS2 Trunks in Super? I mean in hair, because his SS2 hair seems shorter than his Android saga SS1 hair.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What even is the aesthetic difference between SS1 and SS2 Trunks in Super? I mean in hair, because his SS2 hair seems shorter than his Android saga SS1 hair.

Lightning, slightly more fierce aura, sharper facial features.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Another thing, not only does Gohan not have lightning, Toriyama draws him with the FPSSJ aura. I just checked and the aura Gohan has in that fight is the same as the aura Goku had once he mastered SSJ.

[ekrolo2]

I just assume Gohan doesn't have enough juice in him to use SS2 after Spopovich & Yamu drained him. Kibito healing him doesn't necessarily mean he'd get his power restored fully, Vegeta gets healed upon his revival against Kid Boo only superficially but he doesn't even have enough strenght to use SS as proven by Goku warning him that he's still weak from before.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I just assume Gohan doesn't have enough juice in him to use SS2 after Spopovich & Yamu drained him. Kibito healing him doesn't necessarily mean he'd get his power restored fully, Vegeta gets healed upon his revival against Kid Boo only superficially but he doesn't even have enough strenght to use SS as proven by Goku warning him that he's still weak from before.

Also, it's repeatedly stated that Gohan now needs anger to access his power, but he can't get angry like he used to. While it's ambiguous what they mean by his power, I'm assuming it means SSJ2. When he went SSJ2 at the tournament he'd seen Videl get crushed right in front of him very recently, whereas he didn't have anything to enrage him at Babidi's ship.

[dragon boss z]

Yes, the concept art for Movie 10 does seem to strongly indicate that Gohan used SS2 against Broli. It's not 100% confirmation but it's close enough.

Also, I would add "Gohan used it against Dabra (anime only)." Despite how things were clearly drawn and done in the manga, Toei seemed to have intentionally made Gohan a SS2 in their own way for that fight. Despite the lack of the manga's tell-tale lightning bolts, they drew him with the more intense face and aura lighting that's usually associated with SS2 in the anime, and added a handful of lines saying "Gohan was doing his very best" and "Gohan's max power is wide open" or something along those lines.

Gohan being ssj2 against Dabura only makes sense. Why wouldn't he fight with his full power?

And when you look at him he looks like a mix between ssj and ssj2, it's weird.

That's just him having a serious face

Gohan's ssj for had to strands of hair, while his ssj2 for only had one. Gohan only had one strand while fighting Dabura. Though you could just say Toriyama forgot to draw the second strand, but then I could say he forgot to draw the sparks. Oh well, the world may never know.

[dragon boss z]

I just assume Gohan doesn't have enough juice in him to use SS2 after Spopovich & Yamu drained him. Kibito healing him doesn't necessarily mean he'd get his power restored fully, Vegeta gets healed upon his revival against Kid Boo only superficially but he doesn't even have enough strenght to use SS as proven by Goku warning him that he's still weak from before.

But while fighting Dabura Vegeta even mentioned how Gohan wasn't as strong as he was against Cell and was mad. But wouldn't that be obvious if hew wasn't using his ssj2 form? Wither he was using ssj2 or not idk, but if he wasn't that is just bad writing.

[ekrolo2]

I just assume Gohan doesn't have enough juice in him to use SS2 after Spopovich & Yamu drained him. Kibito healing him doesn't necessarily mean he'd get his power restored fully, Vegeta gets healed upon his revival against Kid Boo only superficially but he doesn't even have enough strenght to use SS as proven by Goku warning him that he's still weak from before.

But while fighting Dabura Vegeta even mentioned how Gohan wasn't as strong as he was against Cell and was mad. But wouldn't that be obvious if hew wasn't using his ssj2 form? Wither he was using ssj2 or not idk, but if he wasn't that is just bad writing.

Clearly, he wasn't as strong because he can't even activate SS2 without getting angry or at the very least being recently agitated, unlike Goku and Vegeta who can flip it on and off on a whim.

[Bullza]

Well Vegeta made a comment about how Dabura wasn't too impressive and could beat him which Goku then confirmed and told Supreme Kai that Dabura was about the same as Cell 7 years ago.

This before Goku fought Yakon which led Vegeta to realise that Goku had passed the Super Saiyan wall (SSJ2).

So it really doesnt make sense for Gohan to have used SSJ2 against Dabura and struggle as he did if Dabura is not that much of a threat for SSJ Goku and Vegeta.

[Abra kadabra]

Can someone explain how Gohan going SSJ against dabura makes any sense?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Well Vegeta made a comment about how Dabura wasn't too impressive and could beat him which Goku then confirmed and told Supreme Kai that Dabura was about the same as Cell 7 years ago.

This before Goku fought Yakon which led Vegeta to realise that Goku had passed the Super Saiyan wall (SSJ2).

So it really doesnt make sense for Gohan to have used SSJ2 against Dabura and struggle as he did if Dabura is not that much of a threat for SSJ Goku and Vegeta.

Also, Goku says it'd be simple to beat Dabura before he revealed SSJ2, and nobody disagreed with him. Therefore SSJ Goku > Dabura.