Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
But in a serious matter, what was your lowest interest in Dragon Ball and how did you get out of it? Did you watch/read it less or abandon it completely? If you're a newer fan, are you feeling like you're losing interest?
For me, it was around the original Toonami airing of the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight. I was so hyped for it and it was such a let down that I just started loosing interest in the series. Up until that point I watched every episode since when it was pre-toonami and had toys, manga, books, poster, cards. But I pretty much ignored Dragon Ball until litterly stumbling upon this forum and joining and I havent stopped since. Sadly I missed a good deal of the Dragon Boxes so I did screw myself over a little bit lol.
I've been a fan for over 12 years now and I don't think I've ever lost interest in it. It was the 1st animated show I watched from beginning to end so that might have something to do with it.
I used to watch batman, superman & spider-man most of the time and their episodes were mostley standalone while DB was the complete opposite. It was one long connected story from start to finish for 508 episodes. That kind of cartoon (I didn't know what anime was at the time) was something I never knew or could exist.
I remember how me and some of my friends would talk about how one day Toriyama would write new stories while others would say it would never happen cause once an anime/manga is over that's it. 5 years later and we proved them wrong, Toriyama is here to stay.
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July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
From the second season and onwards Spiderman did have story arcs and the Spectacular Spiderman even more so.-
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
When I first watched the Frieza Saga, I almost dropped the series as a whole, for both that and the Cell Saga there were interesting things keeping me hooked, but I could shake the utter boredom that was catching on after every little thing was stretched out. The Buu saga felt better paced and less drawn out for me, when the moments were long, their length seemed justified.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
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HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:From the second season and onwards Spiderman did have story arcs and the Spectacular Spiderman even more so.-
I saw the 90's spider-man a while after finishing DB and I just saw a few episodes of spectacular Spider-man. I was going to watch the whole thing but then the cancelled it so I figured there's no reason to get invested in something that'll never be completed.
Kanassa wrote:When I first watched the Frieza Saga, I almost dropped the series as a whole, for both that and the Cell Saga there were interesting things keeping me hooked, but I could shake the utter boredom that was catching on after every little thing was stretched out. The Buu saga felt better paced and less drawn out for me, when the moments were long, their length seemed justified.
That's because the Buu arc rarely had any fights drawn out in the manga so it was a lot faster paced during that arc which gave Toei the ability to not use as much filler as Namek and Cell.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:From the second season and onwards Spiderman did have story arcs and the Spectacular Spiderman even more so.-
I saw the 90's spider-man a while after finishing DB and I just saw a few episodes of spectacular Spider-man. I was going to watch the whole thing but then the cancelled it so I figured there's no reason to get invested in something that'll never be completed.
Spectacular Spiderman basically did finish it's story arc, it's only that one loose end was left for another season to possiably pick up. And it's a great ride from start to finish, very in the style of SPiderman. I mean... Just isten to that theme song.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
You know the 90's Spiderman ALSO didnt end up resolving anything. I love it with all my heart though.-
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:You know the 90's Spiderman ALSO didnt end up resolving anything. I love it with all my heart though.-
I couldn't believe that, I remember waiting a while for it only to find ou it was over.
Shows getting dropped like that before finishing their stories shows that having episodic stories like Batman TAS have their benefits cause if it gets dropped for whatever reaosn, there's nothing lost in the process.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
I was just defending Spectacular Spiderman, they did end up resolving stuff. All they didnt immediately reveal was Mary Jane coming back but John Semper said she's fine, Peter did save her, it just wasnt shown.
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
I was a bit upset when the Ocean dub switched to the Funimation dub in the middle of the Freeza saga. The voices all changed and it was so confusing. I kept watching because I cared enough about the characters to stick with it, but I really missed McNeil and Drummond as Piccolo and Vegeta.
ETA: This was back in the early 2000's.
I'm a cucumber, so don't put me in the pickle jar!
I'd say my all time low so far was before I was really as much of a fan as I am today. I read the early Dragon Ball in elementary school, and for a good while that was the extent of my fandom. It was only a few years ago that I picked up Dragon Ball - Season 1 and decided to get back into it. The time in between that was my lowest point of interest in Dragon Ball. Hopefully it stays that way
My interest started to wane a bit halfway through the Majin Boo arc because it just felt like it was going on forever. But what truly proved to be nearly the tipping point was GT. My love and interest in the series nearly dissipated after GT, because of how much of a letdown it was to me after the high I was coming in from Z. After GT, the franchise provided nothing enticing for me. I was sure as hell was not interested in double dipping back into the home releases, and the video games at the time, the Tenkaichi series in particular, just didn't do it for me in the long run. And you can only re-watch DBZ and re-read certain parts of the manga so many times before you want something new.
Then Dragon Ball Evolution came around and nearly fucking killed the franchise form me. When I first head that the movie was happening, and my first reaction was, "Holy shit! This is gonna be awesome!" Then I saw the trailer... and my heart sank. I still wanted it to be good because at that stage my interest in the franchise was at an all time low. So I watched the movie in vain that I was hoping that it would be so bad, it'd be good. It wasn't. It really wasn't. I was so close to quitting Dragon Ball at that time because there was just nothing fresh or new for me to get into. Thank God I heard about Dragon Ball Kai when I did. I mean, it wasn't a new show, but the premise sounded unique enough that I decided to give the show a shot, and I ended up really liking it despite it being a glorified HD remaster. Then I started watching the FUNi dubbed version, and I fell in love with the show even more. Even though I never finished watching all of Kai, as my studies and other activities took up most of my free time, I watched enough of Kai to feel refreshed and interested about Dragon Ball again.
So I'd say my biggest downtime with Dragon Ball was from late 2006 - early 2009. I was so not into Dragon Ball during that period.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
The Gap between when my country got GT back in 2002 (or around that time) to Dragon Ball Evolution (Yep, Evolution got me hooked again).
After GT ended I discovered AF but the hype didn't last long. After Evolution, I was actively looking for stuff, drawing, Sequel info etc, All the way till today.
Big Green: Do whateveryoulike, Ghos
Broly: haha He calls me a goohst, but IMMMD DA DEVVVVAAALLL! RAHAHAHAHA!
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Trunks: "Dhe computer selffishy intesnafiy dosuementos."
Android 13: Yum Boy
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Vegeta: The Legendary Warrior of SpaZe.
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Yeah...I still remember watching the premiere in my country with a long ass line to get in, I've never seen a line so long and there was a pre-sale like a month before. Also, I got the Bluray (legit) of the movie and I still remember the experience getting that movie on release date at FYE or something, I can't remember the name although those stores are mostly extinct. The guy at the counter literally asked "Why are you getting this"?
Remember, Evolution in a gap of no content where I was basically crying for content.
Big Green: Do whateveryoulike, Ghos
Broly: haha He calls me a goohst, but IMMMD DA DEVVVVAAALLL! RAHAHAHAHA!
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Trunks: "Dhe computer selffishy intesnafiy dosuementos."
Android 13: Yum Boy
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Vegeta: The Legendary Warrior of SpaZe.
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
When the atrocious travesty known as Dragon Ball Minus came out, my heart literally sank to the bottom. But then my interest started to pick up when I then went to see Battle of Gods and oh boy what an entertaining film that was, though Resurrection F and some aspects of Dragon Ball Super did disappoint me again. Though to be honest, my interest somewhat picked up again at around the end of the Universe 6 arc through now.
After Raging Blast came out in 2009 I was just completely burnt out on the series. There wasn't anything new besides the video games and they always went through the same story over and over.
It wasn't until I found out that Battle of Gods was a thing in early 2013 that I decided to re-watch the series through DBZ Kai and got back into it. Battle of Gods really did bring the series back to life for me and the stuff that has followed the film has continued to interest me.
