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If the only way to use him a lot doesn't make any sense then it's better not to.Totamo wrote: Yes. Future Trunks arc should have LITTLE Trunks involvement. Great use of a fan favorite.
This really feeds into the stereotype that anime fans have no taste and only care for cliches.Totamo wrote:Yes. Future Trunks arc should have LITTLE Trunks involvement. Great use of a fan favorite.
Trunks is my 2nd favorite character after Vegeta but I HATE that they brought him back. For me Trunks represented the epitome of hope not matter how bleak. It was written on the side of his damn time machine.Totamo wrote:Yes. Future Trunks arc should have LITTLE Trunks involvement. Great use of a fan favorite.Noah wrote:I love how Future Trunks is worthless in the manga, I mean he had his moments, but he still pretty much a weakling and that's how it should be in the anime too, because Black is a enemy worlds above him, so kudos to the manga for playing the real deal. Although they could have taken away that stupid "Maximum SSJ2" thing, but still better, I guess
I really hope the manga keeps these Goku fights in and just as they are. It's the only time characters other than Goku and Vegeta actually did something.
Yeah I'm the same. I like the manga for doing something interesting can keeping him believable, as well as Zamasu. However there's not a lot of great moments I can think of that he did that were stand out. Though you could argue something similar in Z since his greatest moments were killing Freeza, and I guess getting his ass kicked by Cell?TheMathemagician wrote:I've always been 50-50 with both versions of Trunks. Trunks being backseated in the manga version I don't like, I dislike it as much as the Trunks asspulls in the anime to keep him afloat.
All I know is this. You aren't going to remember anything about Trunks in the manga. He is does little to nothing of merit. Nothing he does is memorable.. Why should I care about him?TKA wrote:This really feeds into the stereotype that anime fans have no taste and only care for cliches.Totamo wrote:Yes. Future Trunks arc should have LITTLE Trunks involvement. Great use of a fan favorite.
1. Making writing decisions because of popularity is bad. That has zero artistic merit and only leads to shallow fanservice.
2. For a character to be important, that character doesn't need to be in the forefront. Not everyone should get a "badass" scene, and not everyone needs to contribute to the final attack that defeats a villain in order to be important.
3. In the original Dragonball, Trunks' involvement amounted to getting his ass kicked and getting sidelined as well. He's introduced as a mary sue, but the way the Cell Arc treated his character quickly rectified that. The way Super's anime treated him made him quickly descend back into being a Mary Sue, rather than a fully fleshed out character.
Which is why we disagree. Trunks represented tragedy. In a world where death means nothing and our heroes act like stupid assholes who play with their enemies and risk the world for a fight, you have trunks. A character were death those matter to him, where he can't afford to be a dick, where he has to take every fight seriously. Yet he still suffered.TheMikado wrote:Trunks is my 2nd favorite character after Vegeta but I HATE that they brought him back. For me Trunks represented the epitome of hope not matter how bleak. It was written on the side of his damn time machine.Totamo wrote:Yes. Future Trunks arc should have LITTLE Trunks involvement. Great use of a fan favorite.Noah wrote:I love how Future Trunks is worthless in the manga, I mean he had his moments, but he still pretty much a weakling and that's how it should be in the anime too, because Black is a enemy worlds above him, so kudos to the manga for playing the real deal. Although they could have taken away that stupid "Maximum SSJ2" thing, but still better, I guess
I really hope the manga keeps these Goku fights in and just as they are. It's the only time characters other than Goku and Vegeta actually did something.
They bring him back, change his hair color, give him an ultra weird relationship with Mai who has to be double his chronological age. Trash his world and have everything he ever did be meaningless because his universe got wiped out anyway. So yes I wish that had done the entire thing without Trunks at all. They have multiple methods for time travel why did they need to mess with future Trunks time line specifically?? Honestly they could have easily done it without him.
Who cares about consistency if people find it lame? Some of Dragon Ball's best moments are inconsistent hell the whole red ribbon arc started because of one.sintzu wrote:If the only way to use him a lot doesn't make any sense then it's better not to.Totamo wrote: Yes. Future Trunks arc should have LITTLE Trunks involvement. Great use of a fan favorite.
His role in the manga is more realistic for what his power level is and it doesn't destroy established logic like what the anime goes out of its way to do.
Holy shit I never thought of that. Trunks has gotten the Bardock treatment.....damn. It's not the same, but very eerily similar. I can draw those parallels quite a bit.ekrolo2 wrote:Anime Trunks suffers from the popularity problem similarly to Bardock where everyone writting him is so excited to write him they fail to stop, think and justify stuff like his SSRage form.
The manga keeps him more grounded but it suffers from the problem of making him a side character in an arc named after him. This isn't like the Android/Cell stuff where he's the guy setting up the villain, the arc itself is named after Future Trunks, implying he should play a meatier role.
The anime is conceptually in the right for wanting to make him a more active participant, the problem is they do a horrendous job of justifying this and fail at every level to add a sense of believability to almost anything he accomplishes.
They suffer from a similar problem in that they both suck during their original appearance than when they come back, everyone magically forgets this and makes them uber badasses because they're such fans of the characters. Bardock is considerably worse off because him sucking is what makes him special in that he's not special, he's a worthless grunt. Trunks getting better as he gets older is quite a bit easier to make an evolution out of but Super is all pay off and no set up or build up, his SSRage thing is the culmination of something we don't even see.dbzfan7 wrote:Holy shit I never thought of that. Trunks has gotten the Bardock treatment.....damn. It's not the same, but very eerily similar. I can draw those parallels quite a bit.ekrolo2 wrote:Anime Trunks suffers from the popularity problem similarly to Bardock where everyone writting him is so excited to write him they fail to stop, think and justify stuff like his SSRage form.
The manga keeps him more grounded but it suffers from the problem of making him a side character in an arc named after him. This isn't like the Android/Cell stuff where he's the guy setting up the villain, the arc itself is named after Future Trunks, implying he should play a meatier role.
The anime is conceptually in the right for wanting to make him a more active participant, the problem is they do a horrendous job of justifying this and fail at every level to add a sense of believability to almost anything he accomplishes.
Oh without a doubt Bardock is worse off, though Trunks really does fall in the same pitfalls he did. Though your whole talk of set up and build up is kinda the revelation I came up with in another thread of the true reason why people are so mad at the inconsistencies. Super jumps straight to the pay off, but never seems to have any good set ups or build up. It just wants to immediately eat the cake before you get all the frosting and toppings. It just wants the cake now, the rest be damned. I think every ridiculous idea of Super could work if they just spent some more time on their set ups and build up. By skipping those two steps or half assing them, we're left with huge pay offs that are absolute nonsense.ekrolo2 wrote:They suffer from a similar problem in that they both suck during their original appearance than when they come back, everyone magically forgets this and makes them uber badasses because they're such fans of the characters. Bardock is considerably worse off because him sucking is what makes him special in that he's not special, he's a worthless grunt. Trunks getting better as he gets older is quite a bit easier to make an evolution out of but Super is all pay off and no set up or build up, his SSRage thing is the culmination of something we don't even see.dbzfan7 wrote:Holy shit I never thought of that. Trunks has gotten the Bardock treatment.....damn. It's not the same, but very eerily similar. I can draw those parallels quite a bit.ekrolo2 wrote:Anime Trunks suffers from the popularity problem similarly to Bardock where everyone writting him is so excited to write him they fail to stop, think and justify stuff like his SSRage form.
The manga keeps him more grounded but it suffers from the problem of making him a side character in an arc named after him. This isn't like the Android/Cell stuff where he's the guy setting up the villain, the arc itself is named after Future Trunks, implying he should play a meatier role.
The anime is conceptually in the right for wanting to make him a more active participant, the problem is they do a horrendous job of justifying this and fail at every level to add a sense of believability to almost anything he accomplishes.
Yeah look we aren't going to agree here, your opinion of entertainment over consistency doesn't jive with everyone and since there's no real conversation to be had because the gap in the fundamental premise is so wide we really don't have any more to discuss.Totamo wrote:Who cares about consistency if people find it lame? Some of Dragon Ball's best moments are inconsistent hell the whole red ribbon arc started because of one.sintzu wrote:If the only way to use him a lot doesn't make any sense then it's better not to.Totamo wrote: Yes. Future Trunks arc should have LITTLE Trunks involvement. Great use of a fan favorite.
His role in the manga is more realistic for what his power level is and it doesn't destroy established logic like what the anime goes out of its way to do.
Entertainment should make sense but it should be entertaining and as I'm rereading this manga back to me. It's not.
Bad is better than boring
Wow that's one hundred percent true! The nonsensical lore creation it did was really to boost the character to a place he never held before, but I wonder home much of this attitude was Toriyamas based on his Dragonball Minus manga.dbzfan7 wrote:Oh without a doubt Bardock is worse off, though Trunks really does fall in the same pitfalls he did. Though your whole talk of set up and build up is kinda the revelation I came up with in another thread of the true reason why people are so mad at the inconsistencies. Super jumps straight to the pay off, but never seems to have any good set ups or build up. It just wants to immediately eat the cake before you get all the frosting and toppings. It just wants the cake now, the rest be damned. I think every ridiculous idea of Super could work if they just spent some more time on their set ups and build up. By skipping those two steps or half assing them, we're left with huge pay offs that are absolute nonsense.ekrolo2 wrote:They suffer from a similar problem in that they both suck during their original appearance than when they come back, everyone magically forgets this and makes them uber badasses because they're such fans of the characters. Bardock is considerably worse off because him sucking is what makes him special in that he's not special, he's a worthless grunt. Trunks getting better as he gets older is quite a bit easier to make an evolution out of but Super is all pay off and no set up or build up, his SSRage thing is the culmination of something we don't even see.dbzfan7 wrote:
Holy shit I never thought of that. Trunks has gotten the Bardock treatment.....damn. It's not the same, but very eerily similar. I can draw those parallels quite a bit.
It's a bias people have towards the main fight. It's like saying Vegeta did nothing during the Cell Arc because he didn't fight in the Cell Games.batistabus wrote:I'm surprised people are unhappy with how Trunks is being treated in the manga. The whole reason he went to the past was because he didn't stand a chance against Black, so it makes sense that he shouldn't be doing the bulk of the fighting, especially when Goku and Vegeta far surpass him. He's had plenty of badass moments...you don't need to defeat the villain to have cool moments. Hell, even the part where Black is holding Trunks down by his face, a moment where Trunks is being completely overpowered, is pretty awesome. He's smiling in the face of defeat, and he got off a few solid hits beforehand.
Yeah look we aren't going to agree here, your opinion of entertainment over consistency doesn't jive with everyone and since there's no real conversation to be had because the gap in the fundamental premise is so wide we really don't have any more to discuss.[/quoteTheMikado wrote:Totamo wrote:Who cares about consistency if people find it lame? Some of Dragon Ball's best moments are inconsistent hell the whole red ribbon arc started because of one.sintzu wrote:
If the only way to use him a lot doesn't make any sense then it's better not to.
His role in the manga is more realistic for what his power level is and it doesn't destroy established logic like what the anime goes out of its way to do.
Entertainment should make sense but it should be entertaining and as I'm rereading this manga back to me. It's not.
Bad is better than boring
Really how I feel about it. I enjoy some of what the anime did for Trunks as as you said, the idea itself to keep him involved was nice, but it wasn't all that realistic and ended up being horribly written most of the time. The manga just has him sort of there and taking a backseat in a saga promoted and named after him. A big allure to it was his return.ekrolo2 wrote:Anime Trunks suffers from the popularity problem similarly to Bardock where everyone writting him is so excited to write him they fail to stop, think and justify stuff like his SSRage form.
The manga keeps him more grounded but it suffers from the problem of making him a side character in an arc named after him. This isn't like the Android/Cell stuff where he's the guy setting up the villain, the arc itself is named after Future Trunks, implying he should play a meatier role.
The anime is conceptually in the right for wanting to make him a more active participant, the problem is they do a horrendous job of justifying this and fail at every level to add a sense of believability to almost anything he accomplishes.
And he still represents hope since that hope survived the most severe damage done to it and that is Zeno destroying everything in the timeline. We don't see Trunks trying to shove his broken sword through his trachea and even when he's being offered a solution by the gods to restore Trunks's home back (even though the timeline Whis created isn't the exact same as Trunks's original home), he still accepts it despite the solution being imperfect. Which is pretty much Trunks did back in the Androids arc where Trunks went to alter past to save Goku and co. even though that's never gonna bring back the ones that were killed against the Androids.TheMikado wrote:Trunks is my 2nd favorite character after Vegeta but I HATE that they brought him back. For me Trunks represented the epitome of hope not matter how bleak. It was written on the side of his damn time machine.
They bring him back, change his hair color, give him an ultra weird relationship with Mai who has to be double his chronological age. Trash his world and have everything he ever did be meaningless because his universe got wiped out anyway. So yes I wish that had done the entire thing without Trunks at all. They have multiple methods for time travel why did they need to mess with future Trunks time line specifically?? Honestly they could have easily done it without him.
