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In a moment of anger, kinda rampage-like, a human can get stronger than the usual. I myself witnessed that once. But once the person gets calmed, he loses that.LightBing wrote:Where was it said it was temporary?
I actually really like that. He has something impactful and meaningful tied to the remainder of his existence besides the one he has now.Basako wrote:That would be so great, I don't discard it.Venus wrote:I hope Trunks just goes to the unseen timeline where Bulma is still alive, that would be the best, and honestly, I don't know why Toei didn't did that.Basako wrote:I hope the manga gives another solution than Trunks and Mai going to live with their duplicates. I think this is the thing that bothers me most.
If it wasn't said anywhere and the next time we see Vegeta use SSJ2 he's above SSJ3 Goku, then it's not just a temporary rage boost. It's like when Gohan turned SSJ2 for the first time, nobody said if it was permanent or not and it was clearly achieved with the help of rage. We only got confirmation that it was permanent the next time he used the form, in the following arc.DHM211 wrote:It wasnt said anywhere, its just implied to be a rage boost, just like Goku got after he found out Black killed Chichi and Goten.
We are discussing Dragon Ball, a fictional story where if you're from a certain alien race, get angry, you can turn blonde and get really strong.Grimlock wrote:In a moment of anger, kinda rampage-like, a human can get stronger than the usual. I myself witnessed that once. But once the person gets calmed, he loses that.
Have you, LightBing, ever got so angry that you felt you could destroy a wall and retained that "strength" once you get calmed? If so, teach humanity to do that, please.
Indeed we are. But that doesn't exempt a certain alien race from get similar trait seen in human being. That trait is exactly what happened to Vegeta, he got angry and surpassed Super Saiyan 3 Goku because the gap in power level between them in that era wasn't so big. The anger he felt in that moment was enough for him to surpass Goku in that moment. But as I said and what's generally known, it's a momentary power boost through anger.LightBing wrote:We are discussing Dragon Ball, a fictional story where if you're from a certain alien race, get angry, you can turn blonde and get really strong.
I don't understand why you're bringing reality into this and being a smart-ass.
Then why Vegeta himself specified that he had surpassed Goku "in that moment"? Wouldn't Vegeta say something different if he had surpassed permanently?Basako wrote:The temporary status of Vegeta's rage boost is a fan made theory, pure speculation.
I see what you're saying, but here's my thoughts on it. Toyotaro has said that he needs to follow Toriyama's outline & story details, but he can take liberties with the stuff in the middle of each, as can the anime staff. If he wanted to, because of the timing of his chapters vs the anime's episodes for the releases, he could make changes to what he's already done if he feels the need. He'd need approval, sure, but he has the option if he wants to do so.batistabus wrote:You seem to misunderstand the production process. Toyotaro likely finished drawing this arc months ago (even longer if you consider when he submitted his storyboard for review). Not only is Toyo not allowed to deviate drastically from Tori's outline, but he likely wouldn't if given the chance. He'll do his best with what he's given.Scsigs wrote:Considering Toyotaro's had several MONTHS to analyze the ending of the anime's version of the arc, plus he's a fan of the franchise himself, I'm betting he's come up with something good.jeffbr92 wrote:I hope for a better ending to Future Trunks this time
I'm not sure why so many seem to despise the end of the arc. The only thing I dislike is "Zamasu is merging with the universe itself!"
I didn't ignore any information, I'm thinking about the facts we have and not following the herd. There's two possibilities: either Toyotarõ messed up the power scale or he intended the Vegeta boost to be permanent.Grimlock wrote:Indeed we are. But that doesn't exempt a certain alien race from get similar trait seen in human being. That trait is exactly what happened to Vegeta, he got angry and surpassed Super Saiyan 3 Goku because the gap in power level between them in that era wasn't so big. The anger he felt in that moment was enough for him to surpass Goku in that moment. But as I said and what's generally known, it's a momentary power boost through anger.
I wasn't a "smat-ass", the issue I brought up is reasonable and applies to a fictional story. The real problem here is that you ignored such a popular information.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Anywhere from Wed to Friday is the sweet spot this month.superfan2024 wrote:So, when are we to expect our next leaks?
It might be even worse.Noah wrote:I'm not optimistic in thinking we might get a better ending in the anime, we'll probably get the same thing but with a few changes.
The manga doesn't have Kitano drawing the last chapter, it literally can't be worse.Totamo wrote:It might be even worse.Noah wrote:I'm not optimistic in thinking we might get a better ending in the anime, we'll probably get the same thing but with a few changes.
This is a fact!Jinzoningen MULE wrote:The manga doesn't have Kitano drawing the last chapter, it literally can't be worse.Totamo wrote:It might be even worse.Noah wrote:I'm not optimistic in thinking we might get a better ending in the anime, we'll probably get the same thing but with a few changes.
Vegeta: 'In that great moment I surpassed you, Kakarot!'Grimlock wrote:
Then why Vegeta himself specified that he had surpassed Goku "in that moment"? Wouldn't Vegeta say something different if he had surpassed permanently?
Only the first half of 67 looked bad. The second half actually looked really good.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:The manga doesn't have Kitano drawing the last chapter, it literally can't be worse.Totamo wrote:It might be even worse.Noah wrote:I'm not optimistic in thinking we might get a better ending in the anime, we'll probably get the same thing but with a few changes.
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Did you added the new filter?DHM211 wrote:Only the first half of 67 looked bad. The second half actually looked really good.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:The manga doesn't have Kitano drawing the last chapter, it literally can't be worse.Totamo wrote: It might be even worse.
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