Octorockandroll wrote:Two very good looking episodes in a row. I'm pretty pleased, but also pretty worried...
Be scared for 93. Kitano's back. Freeza's back. Those two aren't mixing well.
Remember 24...
6 weeks for Kitano, 8 weeks for Ono's studio and probably a whole lot of Ide corrections.
I don't think 93 will come out bad looking, most of Kitano's stuff will probably be redone by Ide.
Why would two good looking episodes in a row be something to worry about? It's kind of the standard for the show now for episodes to be solid.
Octorockandroll wrote:Two very good looking episodes in a row. I'm pretty pleased, but also pretty worried...
Be scared for 93. Kitano's back. Freeza's back. Those two aren't mixing well.
Remember 24...
6 weeks for Kitano, 8 weeks for Ono's studio and probably a whole lot of Ide corrections.
I don't think 93 will come out bad looking, most of Kitano's stuff will probably be redone by Ide.
Why would two good looking episodes in a row be something to worry about? It's kind of the standard for the show now for episodes to be solid.
The show now definitely looks good. Certainly a night and day difference from the earlier parts of the series. But the last two episodes were above even the current average and if one thing about the animation has been similar since the beginning of Super it's Toei blowing its load on certain episodes and then following it up with really poor and rushed ones. Just look at the last chunks of the Goku Black arc.
"*sarcastically* Yeah, sure, let's go see Yamcha."
Octorockandroll wrote:
The show now definitely looks good. Certainly a night and day difference from the earlier parts of the series. But the last two episodes were above even the current average and if one thing about the animation has been similar since the beginning of Super it's Toei blowing its load on certain episodes and then following it up with really poor and rushed ones. Just look at the last chunks of the Goku Black arc.
There were only 3 animators on this episode and only 4 series regular animators on episode 90. No loads have been blown.
90 did have 4 assistant supervisors, but that episode was somewhat rushed due to Golden Week and their presence on it probably won't affect future episodes much, if at all.
Psykomatik wrote:I still prefer the final version of this shot.
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Was that in the episode or BD?
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Octorockandroll wrote:
The show now definitely looks good. Certainly a night and day difference from the earlier parts of the series. But the last two episodes were above even the current average and if one thing about the animation has been similar since the beginning of Super it's Toei blowing its load on certain episodes and then following it up with really poor and rushed ones. Just look at the last chunks of the Goku Black arc.
There were only 3 animators on this episode and only 4 series regular animators on episode 90. No loads have been blown.
90 did have 4 assistant supervisors, but that episode was somewhat rushed due to Golden Week and their presence on it probably won't affect future episodes much, if at all.
Well if that's true then hopefully we can look forward to more episodes looking like this. I would love if this became the new standard for dragonball super, even though I know that's probably not gonna happen.
"*sarcastically* Yeah, sure, let's go see Yamcha."
I honestly thought it was Kitano, and none of recent Ishikawa's episodes gave me that feel, so...
Perhaps NewType missed it? 92 with Ishikawa and Kitano, 93 with Ono and Itai?
Bulma eyes seem like Ishikawa to me and his recent episodes look like they have rushed art. Even though the episodes that he worked on weren't rushed, for some reason he's giving characters ugly long necks and drawing eyes to wide. The character faces have barely any detail put into them, it's akin to a Yashima drawing. His art to me, off judging his recent episodes, is in the same league with Kitano and Yashima.
That was some Shida level work. Heck I could see that scene fitting perfectly in the opening.
As for the storyboard...this must be a result of the schedule improving. There was a lot of detail. Maybe their "tournament non-filler" episodes are storyboarded in advance ?
I usually don't like much Tate (mainly because of his art), but sometimes I appreciate his work and that one was really good, still it would be better if it had less hearts and the pink background all over it. It's like they can not portrayal a magical girl transforming without going "full girly", which is a lame stereotype.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
That was some Shida level work. Heck I could see that scene fitting perfectly in the opening.
As for the storyboard...this must be a result of the schedule improving. There was a lot of detail. Maybe their "tournament non-filler" episodes are storyboarded in advance ?
I usually don't like much Tate (mainly because of his art), but sometimes I appreciate his work and that one was really good, still it would be better if it had less hearts and the pink background all over it. It's like they can not portrayal a magical girl transforming without going "full girly", which is a lame stereotype.
But it's a parody .-.
Why wouldn't they make it stereotypical?
"*sarcastically* Yeah, sure, let's go see Yamcha."
Cause it looks cheap? "Oh let's have one magical girl in show, shooting hearts in a pink background because there's nothing more feminine than hearts and the color pink"
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Cause it looks cheap? "Oh let's have one magical girl in show, shooting hearts in a pink background because there's nothing more feminine than hearts and the color pink"
That's how it usually is, though. What do you expect, for them to make a parody of a magical girl that has little or no actual resemblance to a magical girl?
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:That's how it usually is, though. What do you expect, for them to make a parody of a magical girl that has little or no actual resemblance to a magical girl?
You have magical girls transforming just just fine without exaggerated stereotypes.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:That's how it usually is, though. What do you expect, for them to make a parody of a magical girl that has little or no actual resemblance to a magical girl?
You have magical girls transforming just just fine without exaggerated stereotypes.
Considering that it's specifically a Precure reference, and the original Sailor Moon isn't representative of the current trends, this example doesn't really apply.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:That's how it usually is, though. What do you expect, for them to make a parody of a magical girl that has little or no actual resemblance to a magical girl?
You have magical girls transforming just just fine without exaggerated stereotypes.
'Exaggerated stereotypes', tropes and clichés are the Japanese comics, animation, game and light novel industries in a nutshell. It's what people like to create and consume.