"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[LowRyder2005]

To be completely honest, I'm still skeptical. While I can obviously buy the general idea of Gohan's base strength being magnified thanks to one given "Ultimate" multiplier, Goku's strength at that particular point was most likely adjusted in regards to a very apparent retcon/ change of direction relative to the Goku's intended strength (I've gone at length on how "Ultimate Gohan < "many tens of times" < base Goku < base Gohan < SS3 Gotenks" simply can't work from nothing short that a mathematical point of view) .

It would also probably mean that the Ultimate form and Blue share a very similar multiplier, and that the form surpasses or is at least very near to Super Saiyan God power-wise.
On the other hand, obviously, if Gohan can't be much stronger than his Buu saga counterpart, his Ultimate form shouldn't be that much stronger than his Buu saga counterpart as well. I personally feel that Gohan now is just supposed to be moderately stronger (and I don't happen to share the sentiment that there's real intent to portray Gohan as equal-ish to SSB Goku like many others do).

I stress that I don't think there's much wrong with your outlook, per se, the problem has more to do with Super's writing contradicting itself. Do note that, to me, Goku's ("normal") base is just around three times stronger compared to one from the Buu arc, and Piccolo outmatching Gohan counts more as anti-feat for Gohan than as a compelling feat for Piccolo.

(By the way, I feel it might be more appropriate to move this in the power-related thread, feel free to quote me there if you want to continue the conversation)

[Zeru14]

I just realized that Toyotaro, covered up a potential plot hole, Future Trunks giving up his kai apprenticeship, explains why Gohan doesn't have the Healing ability, as he gave up his position after Kid Buu's defeat.

[OLKv3]

I just realized that Toyotaro, covered up a potential plot hole, Future Trunks giving up his kai apprenticeship, explains why Gohan doesn't have the Healing ability, as he gave up his position after Kid Buu's defeat.

Gohan was never made into a Kai apprentice. He also had a different dance than Trunks. Old Kai's power came from a non kai remember?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What's the title of the extra chapter?

[Boo Machine]

Is there a page limit that Toyo must follow when he makes the chapters? I just wonder why this extra bit of story with Gohan was left out. I guess it could be for pacing.

[Zamasu55]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

When Ssj2 Trunks attacked Fused Zamasu, he was beaten with his eyes only.

Here we have Base Goku struggling against someone weaker than 18, after surving Toppo's signature move.

[The gr]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

When Ssj2 Trunks attacked Fused Zamasu, he was beaten with his eyes only.

Here we have Base Goku struggling against someone weaker than 18, after surving Toppo's signature move.

Remember different writer with different interpretation on characters, that why the manga is consistent when compared to the anime is because there one writer

[Zamasu55]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

When Ssj2 Trunks attacked Fused Zamasu, he was beaten with his eyes only.

Here we have Base Goku struggling against someone weaker than 18, after surving Toppo's signature move.

Remember different writer with different interpretation on characters, that why the manga is consistent when compared to the anime is because there one writer

That doesn't make it acceptable.

[The gr]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

When Ssj2 Trunks attacked Fused Zamasu, he was beaten with his eyes only.

Here we have Base Goku struggling against someone weaker than 18, after surving Toppo's signature move.

Remember different writer with different interpretation on characters, that why the manga is consistent when compared to the anime is because there one writer

That doesn't make it acceptable.

Yeah is bad writing but I'm just doing a comparison between both medium

[Rhuagh]

I'm a big fan of the manga, but I don't know if Toyotaro will be able to make the first 2/3's of the Tournament enjoyable. The structure they went with, an 80-fighters-battle-royale on a tiny arena, is not working at all in the anime. Combined with horrible writing and subpar animation, it's a mess, no matter how much I wanted to like it. So few pros in comparison to cons.

I think some of the bigger problems with the structure and pacing of the fights will inevitably also plague the manga.

[micah007]

I'm wondering what the fight choreography will be like in the manga for the TOP. Some of the named characters in the anime have demonstrated interesting abilities so far, will he include those or keep it simple to make portraying the battle royal easier.

[Ki Breaker]

I'm wondering what the fight choreography will be like in the manga for the TOP. Some of the named characters in the anime have demonstrated interesting abilities so far, will he include those or keep it simple to make portraying the battle royal easier.

Fight choreography is one thing almost everyone agrees the manga is good at..
Expect some good showing, the track record supports it..

[TobyS]

Will Viz get their thumbs out their asses and translate the bonus content?

I know we aren't supposed to share scanlations but missing just these couple of pages is stupid and frustrating.

[micah007]

I'm wondering what the fight choreography will be like in the manga for the TOP. Some of the named characters in the anime have demonstrated interesting abilities so far, will he include those or keep it simple to make portraying the battle royal easier.

Fight choreography is one thing almost everyone agrees the manga is good at..
Expect some good showing, the track record supports it..

Yeah. I ask because this could be one of the most visually stunning battles to take place in the manga, I hope he goes all out.

[Noah]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

When Ssj2 Trunks attacked Fused Zamasu, he was beaten with his eyes only.

Here we have Base Goku struggling against someone weaker than 18, after surving Toppo's signature move.

Sorry, but I think you forgot about the mess of SSJ2 Vegeta being stronger than SSJ Black which its Base was stronger than the powered SSJ2 F. Trunks who was probably on pair with SSJ3 Goku.

[LightBing]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

When Ssj2 Trunks attacked Fused Zamasu, he was beaten with his eyes only.

Here we have Base Goku struggling against someone weaker than 18, after surving Toppo's signature move.

Sorry, but I think you forgot about the mess of SSJ2 Vegeta being stronger than SSJ Black which its Base was stronger than the powered SSJ2 F. Trunks who was probably on pair with SSJ3 Goku.

And you forgot that SSJ2 Vegeta has been stronger than SSJ3 Goku since the BoG Arc.
I don't understand why people keep repeating this. It's blatant that this intentional from Toyotarõ.

[FortuneSSJ]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

Power levels don't mean much if you're making a less interesting version. Because of that bulshit FT Trunks is nothing more than a supporting character on his own arc in the manga.

The audience wants to be entertained and the biggest part of it isn't watching Super with calculators next to them to make sure the numbers are right. Like it or not, power levels don't make sense since Freeza arc and they were introduced in Saiyan arc only to proof how wrong they can be.

[TheMikado]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

Power levels don't mean much if you're making a less interesting version. Because of that bulshit FT Trunks is nothing more than a supporting character on his own arc in the manga.

The audience wants to be entertained and the biggest part of it isn't watching Super with calculators next to them to make sure the numbers are right. Like it or not, power levels don't make sense since Freeza arc and they were introduced in Saiyan arc only to proof how wrong they can be.

Completely incorrect, as I have stated before Toriyama was very careful about maintaining a consistent power pyramid regardless of what you may claim. Frieza was and still to this day is the strongest natural being in the universe. Vegeta was second in this ozaru form and then Freeza's henchmen ranked under him. The audience aren't idiots and don't want to be treated like idiots. Actually I take that back as I can only speak for myself.

[The gr]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

Power levels don't mean much if you're making a less interesting version. Because of that bulshit FT Trunks is nothing more than a supporting character on his own arc in the manga.

The audience wants to be entertained and the biggest part of it isn't watching Super with calculators next to them to make sure the numbers are right. Like it or not, power levels don't make sense since Freeza arc and they were introduced in Saiyan arc only to proof how wrong they can be.

Sigh is not the number we care about viewtopic.php?f=25&t=39340&p=1351794#p1351794

[Zamasu55]

Say all you want about the manga, but at least power levels make sense there.

When Ssj2 Trunks attacked Fused Zamasu, he was beaten with his eyes only.

Here we have Base Goku struggling against someone weaker than 18, after surving Toppo's signature move.

Sorry, but I think you forgot about the mess of SSJ2 Vegeta being stronger than SSJ Black which its Base was stronger than the powered SSJ2 F. Trunks who was probably on pair with SSJ3 Goku.

It doesn't have to be a mistake. Perhaps Vegeta's Ssj2 is stronger than Ssj3 Goku, who knows.