SaiyanGod117 wrote:Is that seriously gonna be the excuse every time Super's ratings are down or will it be the holiday one?
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:Is that seriously gonna be the excuse every time Super's ratings are down or will it be the holiday one?
Yes, because is the more reasonal one when you take into account the ratings of all the other shows + whatever japanese things happens around that time and dont isolate DBS ratings data.
And that's not even taking into consideration that TV viewership as a whole in Japan is down from last year. If the whole TV block is down, then yes, Super's rating automatically suffer 99% of the time, regardless of what content is on. Especially since Super's timeslot means it's basically playing the role for the lead in of a more popular anime.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
SaiyanGod117 wrote:Is that seriously gonna be the excuse every time Super's ratings are down or will it be the holiday one?
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:Is that seriously gonna be the excuse every time Super's ratings are down or will it be the holiday one?
Yes, because is the more reasonal one when you take into account the ratings of all the other shows + whatever japanese things happens around that time and dont isolate DBS ratings data.
And that's not even taking into consideration that TV viewership as a whole in Japan is down from last year. If the whole TV block is down, then yes, Super's rating automatically suffer 99% of the time, regardless of what content is on. Especially since Super's timeslot means it's basically playing the role for the lead in of a more popular anime.
Can I see some proof that the whole TV block is down from last year? Not just one inconclusive example, and Super is only the lead-in for One Piece so it has no effect on any other anime.
The whole tv market world wide is on a decline more or less. There are reports from 2015 about JO and there decline as well. Just do some search on google
Speaking about myself... I watch far less TV compared to some years ago. My main information and entertainment source is the internet
Bullza wrote:So anime ratings are down across the board and it's now an excuse for people to randomly blame it on the quality of Dragon Ball Super even though it's in the exact same position it has been from the start....
It's just SaiyanGod117 they've been trying to push this agenda that DBS sucks and just can't accept it as a success, a huge success at that.
Kishido wrote:The whole tv market world wide is on a decline more or less. There are reports from 2015 about JO and there decline as well. Just do some search on google
Speaking about myself... I watch far less TV compared to some years ago. My main information and entertainment source is the internet
I've also seen conflicting reports about TV ratings, from how TV ratings have taken a dip due to streaming to how streaming really isn't effecting TV ratings at all.
Nonetheless, I think the main reason Super's ratings are down is because the show is garbage to mediocre.
Kishido wrote:The whole tv market world wide is on a decline more or less. There are reports from 2015 about JO and there decline as well. Just do some search on google
Speaking about myself... I watch far less TV compared to some years ago. My main information and entertainment source is the internet
I've also seen conflicting reports about TV ratings, from how TV ratings have taken a dip due to streaming to how streaming really isn't effecting TV ratings at all.
Nonetheless, I think the main reason Super's ratings are down is because the show is garbage to mediocre.
Bullza wrote:So anime ratings are down across the board and it's now an excuse for people to randomly blame it on the quality of Dragon Ball Super even though it's in the exact same position it has been from the start....
It's just SaiyanGod117 they've been trying to push this agenda that DBS sucks and just can't accept it as a success, a huge success at that.
Do the Japanese watch Super on the internet? I assume it's not legally streamed there because it would conflict with TV ratings, but they probably watch it online illegally.
precita wrote:Do the Japanese watch Super on the internet? I assume it's not legally streamed there because it would conflict with TV ratings, but they probably watch it online illegally.
Japan is pretty strict about piracy though. I'm pretty sure you can go to jail for it.
Bullza wrote:So anime ratings are down across the board and it's now an excuse for people to randomly blame it on the quality of Dragon Ball Super even though it's in the exact same position it has been from the start....
It's just SaiyanGod117 they've been trying to push this agenda that DBS sucks and just can't accept it as a success, a huge success at that.
I never said DBS wasn't a success.
The issue is the extreme hyperbole on both sides.
The Super anime when ranked against both its contemporaries and its own franchise is actually the worse performing property. It's average ranking is below even that of GT's. However it has been a success financially in selling properties of the Dragonball franchise. The premise that the Super anime in and of itself as a product is a huge success in either its ratings or in critical acclaim is just not true. Super remains, to this day on, on average, the worse debuted Dragonball show in terms of both per ratings(which count for little these days) and in rankings(to which I prefer to use a measure and give more stock to). The anime of Dragonball Super performs just fine as a product of itself. No more and no less.
I will say I predicted Super would struggle and would not resonate with western audiences: I still maintain this stance and will continue to watch the numbers for the funimation dub.
SaiyanGod117 wrote:Is that seriously gonna be the excuse every time Super's ratings are down or will it be the holiday one?
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:Yes, because is the more reasonal one when you take into account the ratings of all the other shows + whatever japanese things happens around that time and dont isolate DBS ratings data.
And that's not even taking into consideration that TV viewership as a whole in Japan is down from last year. If the whole TV block is down, then yes, Super's rating automatically suffer 99% of the time, regardless of what content is on. Especially since Super's timeslot means it's basically playing the role for the lead in of a more popular anime.
Can I see some proof that the whole TV block is down from last year? Not just one inconclusive example, and Super is only the lead-in for One Piece so it has no effect on any other anime.
Dude, if you want to crawl through 100 pages of comments and enter 1000 data points into an excel spreadsheet for me, I'm happy to run the numbers, plot some graphs, normalize the data, etc. But I don't really have time for that. Random examples it is for now.
SaiyanGod117 wrote:You might as well not even use an example if it's just gonna be one.
People are cherry picking data ALL OVER this thread. Every week, people complain about lower ratings without comparing it to the ratings of the other shows. I'm giving a counter example to say, hey, this is not the only TV show that has lower ratings. They all do. I've been posting numbers on this thread for 2 years. I'm aware of the general trend. If you want to collaborate on data mining, as I said, I'm happy to help analyze. The data is all there.
Kishido wrote:The whole tv market world wide is on a decline more or less. There are reports from 2015 about JO and there decline as well. Just do some search on google
Speaking about myself... I watch far less TV compared to some years ago. My main information and entertainment source is the internet
I've also seen conflicting reports about TV ratings, from how TV ratings have taken a dip due to streaming to how streaming really isn't effecting TV ratings at all.
Nonetheless, I think the main reason Super's ratings are down is because the show is garbage to mediocre.
Then fuck off!!! Nobody is interested in your opinion, especially if you think that way about a show that is the central subject of this subforum. If you believe Super is garbage, you have no business being here.
I dont agree with SaiyanGod and I still think that was uncalled for.
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Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
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Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Kishido wrote:The whole tv market world wide is on a decline more or less. There are reports from 2015 about JO and there decline as well. Just do some search on google
Speaking about myself... I watch far less TV compared to some years ago. My main information and entertainment source is the internet
I've also seen conflicting reports about TV ratings, from how TV ratings have taken a dip due to streaming to how streaming really isn't effecting TV ratings at all.
Nonetheless, I think the main reason Super's ratings are down is because the show is garbage to mediocre.
If you don't like the show,then why are you even here? You sound like you belong in the youtube comment section,not here.
Kishido wrote:The whole tv market world wide is on a decline more or less. There are reports from 2015 about JO and there decline as well. Just do some search on google
Speaking about myself... I watch far less TV compared to some years ago. My main information and entertainment source is the internet
I've also seen conflicting reports about TV ratings, from how TV ratings have taken a dip due to streaming to how streaming really isn't effecting TV ratings at all.
Nonetheless, I think the main reason Super's ratings are down is because the show is garbage to mediocre.
If you don't like the show,then why are you even here? You sound like you belong in the youtube comment section,not here.
There's more to Dragon Ball than just DBS, if you don't like what I have to say about it, then you better do your best to ignore it.
If you won't to see someone who belongs in a YT comment section than look four post up.