namekiansaiyan wrote:Does anyone else think Toei are deliberately trying to annoy fans by teasing Toppo vs Vegeta along with Piccolo and Gohan vs Saonel and Pilina and then not showing anything?
Caulifla and Kale are well liked among the Japanese fans, so no, I'm pretty sure annoying anyone is not their intention. Building suspense maybe, but this fight isn't mean to be an appetizer; it's a big deal for the arc. I get that a lot of people here are not invested at all in this fight, but then again, the majority probablyeople are.
The episodes were structured before any fans had the chance to even like them so that is not a factor.
This fight is not a big deal as they are fighting Goku who is fighting them so he can recover.
namekiansaiyan wrote:Does anyone else think Toei are deliberately trying to annoy fans by teasing Toppo vs Vegeta along with Piccolo and Gohan vs Saonel and Pilina and then not showing anything?
Caulifla and Kale are well liked among the Japanese fans, so no, I'm pretty sure annoying anyone is not their intention. Building suspense maybe, but this fight isn't mean to be an appetizer; it's a big deal for the arc. I get that a lot of people here are not invested at all in this fight, but then again, the majority probablyeople are.
The episodes were structured before any fans had the chance to even like them so that is not a factor.
This fight is not a big deal as they are fighting Goku who is fighting them so he can recover.
They are not universally liked like hit.According to ken xyro,the latest episode got a 60% rating while cabba episode got 55%(the lowest) on fan polls.The highest rated episode was roshi's episode. https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/924653260933394432
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Michsi wrote:
Caulifla and Kale are well liked among the Japanese fans, so no, I'm pretty sure annoying anyone is not their intention. Building suspense maybe, but this fight isn't mean to be an appetizer; it's a big deal for the arc. I get that a lot of people here are not invested at all in this fight, but then again, the majority probablyeople are.
The episodes were structured before any fans had the chance to even like them so that is not a factor.
This fight is not a big deal as they are fighting Goku who is fighting them so he can recover.
It's not a big deal compared to Jiren, but they promoted these girls a bit too much not have their fight get a bit of a push. I wanted to see what the other fighters were doing, but I wasn't that surprised when they didn't cut away at all. They are getting three episodes in a row, the studio wants them to shine. It remains to be seen if they'll succeed.
Hawk9211 wrote: They are not universally liked like hit. According to ken xyro,the latest episode got a 60% rating while cabba episode got 55%(the lowest) on fan polls.The highest rated episode was roshi's episode. https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/924653260933394432
Yeah, but was that because the episode was weak or because of the girls themselves? Oddly enough, I felt that Cabba's episode was a bit better.
Hawk9211 wrote: They are not universally liked like hit. According to ken xyro,the latest episode got a 60% rating while cabba episode got 55%(the lowest) on fan polls.The highest rated episode was roshi's episode. https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/924653260933394432
Yeah, but was that because the episode was weak or because of the girls themselves? Oddly enough, I felt that Cabba's episode was a bit better.
I also thought that Cabba's episode was better.
From Super episode 113 thread:
MaskedRider wrote:
Torturephile wrote:
hunduel wrote:I liked this episode. I seriously don't know why people hate it.
namekiansaiyan wrote:I seriously don't see why some of you like this episode when nothing happened and was basically filler.
Michsi wrote:
Caulifla and Kale are well liked among the Japanese fans, so no, I'm pretty sure annoying anyone is not their intention. Building suspense maybe, but this fight isn't mean to be an appetizer; it's a big deal for the arc. I get that a lot of people here are not invested at all in this fight, but then again, the majority probablyeople are.
The episodes were structured before any fans had the chance to even like them so that is not a factor.
This fight is not a big deal as they are fighting Goku who is fighting them so he can recover.
It's not a big deal compared to Jiren, but they promoted these girls a bit too much not have their fight get a bit of a push. I wanted to see what the other fighters were doing, but I wasn't that surprised when they didn't cut away at all. They are getting three episodes in a row, the studio wants them to shine. It remains to be seen if they'll succeed.
Hawk9211 wrote: They are not universally liked like hit. According to ken xyro,the latest episode got a 60% rating while cabba episode got 55%(the lowest) on fan polls.The highest rated episode was roshi's episode. https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/924653260933394432
Yeah, but was that because the episode was weak or because of the girls themselves? Oddly enough, I felt that Cabba's episode was a bit better.
Cabba episode was better and it actually seemed like a battle royale. In Episode 113 nothing really happened and you could tell they were struggling to fill the time episode.
They obviously wanted 100% focus on Goku vs Kale and Caulifla and it seems like that way in episode 114 as well and episode 115 will probably end up being the same.
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Hawk9211 wrote: They are not universally liked like hit. According to ken xyro,the latest episode got a 60% rating while cabba episode got 55%(the lowest) on fan polls.The highest rated episode was roshi's episode. https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/924653260933394432
Yeah, but was that because the episode was weak or because of the girls themselves? Oddly enough, I felt that Cabba's episode was a bit better.
I also thought that Cabba's episode was better.
Because it was, Cabba's ep actually had a lot of stuffs happening and it moved the plot.
Cauli and Kale's ep had nothing besides... well it was literally what the title says and just that.
Anyways I dont know where that ken guy gets his info from but if its from online forums like 2ch or 4ch then yeah... thats not very reliable at least for me, people there are cancerous when it comes to waifu characters and ship wars... I've been there, scared the crap out of me.
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namekiansaiyan wrote:
They obviously wanted 100% focus on Goku vs Kale and Caulifla and it seems like that way in episode 114 as well and episode 115 will probably end up being the same.
I hope not. Maybe the reason I liked the Cabba episode more was precisely because it wasn't 100% about him. Monna had a fun fighting style, I loved the 20 seconds the U6 namekians got, the second fiddle bit was funny, and Freeza was the cherry on top. So I'm hoping for at least some more glimpses at what the others are doing.
namekiansaiyan wrote:Does anyone else think Toei are deliberately trying to annoy fans by teasing Toppo vs Vegeta along with Piccolo and Gohan vs Saonel and Pilina and then not showing anything?
At least they're getting this Kale/Caulifla garbage out of the way right now, rather than later.
I hope you understand though, the Namekians won't get nearly as much focus as these two have gotten. They'll have at least 5 episodes sunk into them (for no reason really) when this is all over. The Namekians will be lucky to have even half of that.
namekiansaiyan wrote:
They obviously wanted 100% focus on Goku vs Kale and Caulifla and it seems like that way in episode 114 as well and episode 115 will probably end up being the same.
I hope not. Maybe the reason I liked the Cabba episode more was precisely because it wasn't 100% about him. Monna had a fun fighting style, I loved the 20 seconds the U6 namekians got, the second fiddle bit was funny, and Freeza was the cherry on top. So I'm hoping for at least some more glimpses at what the others are doing.
Episode 112 got the Battle royale setting completely right and it flowed really good.
I think we really are in for 3 100% focused episodes. The preview for episode 114 is just like the one for episode 113 which was obviously just Goku vs Kale and Caulifla.
hardcorefakes wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote:Does anyone else think Toei are deliberately trying to annoy fans by teasing Toppo vs Vegeta along with Piccolo and Gohan vs Saonel and Pilina and then not showing anything?
At least they're getting this Kale/Caulifla garbage out of the way right now, rather than later.
I hope you understand though, the Namekians won't get nearly as much focus as these two have gotten. They'll have at least 5 episodes sunk into them (for no reason really) when this is all over. The Namekians will be lucky to have even half of that.
No one else will get this treatment in the tournament but I will be easily satisfied will 2 or 3 episodes for the Namekians. They look like the last members of Universe 6 so they must have something to bring.
Toppo vs Vegeta along with Piccolo and Gohan vs Saonel and Pilina could easily not even be focused on after the current fight. They could go focus on 17, 18 and Frieza or even Goku again.
Michsi wrote:
Yeah, but was that because the episode was weak or because of the girls themselves? Oddly enough, I felt that Cabba's episode was a bit better.
I also thought that Cabba's episode was better.
Because it was, Cabba's ep actually had a lot of stuffs happening and it moved the plot.
Cauli and Kale's ep had nothing besides... well it was literally what the title says and just that.
Anyways I dont know where that ken guy gets his info from but if its from online forums like 2ch or 4ch then yeah... thats not very reliable at least for me, people there are cancerous when it comes to waifu characters and ship wars... I've been there, scared the crap out of me.
If I remember correctly it was some twitter poll.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Shaqazooloo wrote:I don't know if I would call Caulifla a Mary Sue, I would call her a poorly written character tbh. I would say the same for Kale too. They're both very rushed, and I feel like they put minimal thought into them so they could focus on getting them merchandise materiel.
I get your point ,when there are sisters characters handled better in other series like
Ryuko and Satsuki
Akame and Kurome
Tatsumaki and Fubuki
Is it just more or I feel like Cauli and Kale are getting all this rushed development is because they'll be one-hit wonders and after this never really appear again? just like "Look, female SSJs there happy? Ok bye."
Dbzfan94 wrote:Is it just more or I feel like Cauli and Kale are getting all this rushed development is because they'll be one-hit wonders and after this never really appear again? just like "Look, female SSJs there happy? Ok bye."
One could only hope. Although, there are a few people clamoring for a U6 arc, but hopefully Toriyama doesn't give in to it. So many more interesting directions he could go in at this point.
Dbzfan94 wrote:Is it just more or I feel like Cauli and Kale are getting all this rushed development is because they'll be one-hit wonders and after this never really appear again? just like "Look, female SSJs there happy? Ok bye."
One could only hope. Although, there are a few people clamoring for a U6 arc, but hopefully Toriyama doesn't give in to it. So many more interesting directions he could go in at this point.
Totally agree. If they go to U6 Sadala, something tells me it would only be Goku and Vegeta who go and leave everyone else at home again. I hope we just have an arc just in U7 with the main cast. The more Toei pushes the girls, as seemingly new "additions" to the main cast, the less I want it to happen. They're better as one-offs like most tournament fighters.
Dbzfan94 wrote:Is it just more or I feel like Cauli and Kale are getting all this rushed development is because they'll be one-hit wonders and after this never really appear again? just like "Look, female SSJs there happy? Ok bye."
It will depend of popularity and merchandise, Trunks and Goten werent that popular world-wide for example.
Dbzfan94 wrote:Is it just more or I feel like Cauli and Kale are getting all this rushed development is because they'll be one-hit wonders and after this never really appear again? just like "Look, female SSJs there happy? Ok bye."
One could only hope. Although, there are a few people clamoring for a U6 arc, but hopefully Toriyama doesn't give in to it. So many more interesting directions he could go in at this point.
Totally agree. If they go to U6 Sadala, something tells me it would only be Goku and Vegeta who go and leave everyone else at home again.
Uuuuuugh! I can see that happen too. Fewer characters means fewer voice actors to pay and long running shows love cost-cutting tactics.
Michsi wrote:Uuuuuugh! I can see that happen too. Fewer characters means fewer voice actors to pay and long running shows love cost-cutting tactics.
It would make some sense though. Goku and Vegeta aside, who from the main cast except for maybe Bulma or Jaco would even want to visit the Saiyan homeworld?
