TKA wrote:Or better yet, just SSGod since it was established as being very efficient, while still packing a punch. THAT shows progression and the characters being smart. I don't need the fanservice.
If that was the case, they wouldn't have removed the base with God power state from the story. But either way, it makes perfect sense for Goku & Vegeta to keep using the SS/2/3 forms on weaker opponents instead of easily beating them with SSG/B, since they prefer to challenge themselves & have a fun fight.
Eeeeexcept no.
God was established, in the manga, as being a form that made you much stronger but was also sustainable. Did you miss when Vegeta fought Black with it?
Further, this is a common misconception. Vegeta doesn't care about a "fun" fight. His character is that he wants to be the most powerful. He gets into fights to win, not to challenge himself. Challenging one's self against stronger opponents is Goku's trait, and there is no challenge in lowering yourself to an opponent's level.
You saw Batman v Superman? Is it the Ultimate Edition? No? Then you haven't seen Batman v Superman. Also, the Snyder Cut is the greatest, non-deconstructionist ensemble comic book film ever made.
OLKv3 wrote:
I prefer how it was in the Champa arc
Base, SS, SSB. No need for all the other transformations
But what if someone is stronger than Super Saiyan but not worthy of God or Blue? Should Gokuh or Vegeta waste their power on someone who doesn’t need it? Super Saiyan 2 and 3 were not used during the 6th Universe Arc because it was unneeded. Gokuh was too much for Frost as a Super Saiyan, Vegeta didn’t need Super Saiyan for Magetta or Cabbe. Blue was only needed because of Hit. Hit was the only threat there. In the manga, Gokuh even asks Vegeta why he went Super Saiyan against Cabbe, meaning he could have beaten him in his normal form.
It wouldn't be wasting power. If SS isn't enough, then you go Blue and one shot.
Meshack wrote:
But what if someone is stronger than Super Saiyan but not worthy of God or Blue? Should Gokuh or Vegeta waste their power on someone who doesn’t need it? Super Saiyan 2 and 3 were not used during the 6th Universe Arc because it was unneeded. Gokuh was too much for Frost as a Super Saiyan, Vegeta didn’t need Super Saiyan for Magetta or Cabbe. Blue was only needed because of Hit. Hit was the only threat there. In the manga, Gokuh even asks Vegeta why he went Super Saiyan against Cabbe, meaning he could have beaten him in his normal form.
It wouldn't be wasting power. If SS isn't enough, then you go Blue and one shot.
That’s... dumb.
How is it dumb when that's exactly how the fights worked before DBS? Get outta here lmao.
Hell he even does this in DBS itself, when he fought Ribrianne, he went Blue to one shot her when Base wasn't enough
And Caulifla, he went to GoD when he couldn't do the job with his SS
Dragon Ball Super V Jump January Issue: Toyotaro's Idea. Jiren's reason to fight is...
"I'll be losing this time as well (laughs)
Can you really say that life is fair? (laughs)
It will be different from the anime version
I'll shed just a little bit of light on Jiren's secret
OLKv3 wrote:Dragon Ball Super V Jump January Issue: Toyotaro's Idea. Jiren's reason to fight is...
"I'll be losing this time as well (laughs)
Can you really say that life is fair? (laughs)
It will be different from the anime version
I'll shed just a little bit of light on Jiren's secret
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Xeogran wrote:So whatever Jiren's secret is, it won't apply to his Anime version? Weird...
The manga has been very different since Trunks' arc so this isn't surprising at all. Maybe in the anime he's just a strong guy while the manga will give him more backstory.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
OLKv3 wrote:That's not what it's saying. He's saying the leadup to the ToP will be handled differently in the manga compared to the anime.
One of the things I'm interested in is how they handle Gohan and his mystic form. The anime like always, made 0 sense with it as he went from barely being able to go Ssj to mystic in a day or so.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
OLKv3 wrote:That's not what it's saying. He's saying the leadup to the ToP will be handled differently in the manga compared to the anime.
One of the things I'm interested in is how they handle Gohan and his mystic form. The anime like always, made 0 sense with it as he went from barely being able to go Ssj to mystic in a day or so.
well, in the manga Gohan has already began training in the gravity room at Bulma's, so I guess he's a little stronger than what he was in the anime at the beginning of the new arc.
IM21 wrote:well, in the manga Gohan has already began training in the gravity room at Bulma's, so I guess he's a little stronger than what he was in the anime at the beginning of the new arc.
What chapter is that in ? I do remember vaguely something like that now that you mention it.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
IM21 wrote:well, in the manga Gohan has already began training in the gravity room at Bulma's, so I guess he's a little stronger than what he was in the anime at the beginning of the new arc.
What chapter is that in ? I do remember vaguely something like that now that you mention it.
Extra chapter when Trunks meets Gohan I think, it should be in Vol.5
IM21 wrote:well, in the manga Gohan has already began training in the gravity room at Bulma's, so I guess he's a little stronger than what he was in the anime at the beginning of the new arc.
What chapter is that in ? I do remember vaguely something like that now that you mention it.
It's the extra chapter. 2 or 4 pages. It's when Trunks and Mai are deciding to stay in the present but after the talk with Gohan (who came to train) Trunks decides to go back to the future. It should be added to volume 5.
mute_proxy wrote:Extra chapter when Trunks meets Gohan I think, it should be in Vol.5
I know what you're talking about now. Hopefully he'll move onto the ROSAT by the time Goku goes to get him for the tournament.
Which chapter exactly are you guys referring to?
I'm looking for it on VIZ.
sintzu wrote:
OLKv3 wrote:That's not what it's saying. He's saying the leadup to the ToP will be handled differently in the manga compared to the anime.
One of the things I'm interested in is how they handle Gohan and his mystic form. The anime like always, made 0 sense with it as he went from barely being able to go Ssj to mystic in a day or so.
It was a character moment about Gohan realizing the flaws and overcoming the uncertainty in himself.
It was pretty obvious thats what they were going for. They weren't exactly subtle about it. The direction was a pretty obvious give away thats what they were going for.
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After reaing peoples comments hear it seems that it was both a joke and news
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
OLKv3 wrote:Dragon Ball Super V Jump January Issue: Toyotaro's Idea. Jiren's reason to fight is...
"I'll be losing this time as well (laughs)
Can you really say that life is fair? (laughs)
It will be different from the anime version
I'll shed just a little bit of light on Jiren's secret
Good gracious! The literal VERY THING I've been complaining about Jiren and Toyotaro may fix it once again! Please do it justice.
I've been complaining that Jiren as a character had no explicit reasons or motivations to be as strong as he was when compared to the rest of his universe. Sounds like there are actually going to give him a reason for hitting the gym!
actually we have no idea what this is so I guess I need to wait before getting too excited.
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