You can’t call something bad writing if it wasn’t explained. About Botamo and Magetta, the members from the previous tournament needed to participate (Champa said so) so a Tsufruian and Yardratian could not have participatedjplaya2023 wrote:Simply bad writing. Just replace Botamo or Magetta with the Yardat(ian) and the issue is resolved.
I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
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There is no official explanation. If they dont explain this, then its another example of Super's bad writing (much like how they didnt bother to explain Super Saiyan Rage or Vegeta's comment about Kale's SSJ form)
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
I really hesitate to classify "Super Saiyan Rage" anywhere in the same ballpark. The show thematically told you everything you needed to know about it, up through and including his final sword attack. I don't need the metaphysical analysis from other characters to understand it any more than that.gofishus wrote:There is no official explanation. If they dont explain this, then its another example of Super's bad writing (much like how they didnt bother to explain Super Saiyan Rage or Vegeta's comment about Kale's SSJ form)
Vegeta's line about the form is right up there with the "Namekian Book of Legends" where it's not particularly offensive, but it's certainly a bit of lore carrot-on-a-stick dangling out there and would be a minor tragedy to go unexplained.
A Yardratian and Tsufruian in some other universe, however, directly contradicts what we've been told in the series up until now. Unlike the Potara retcon which was explained in the same moment it was reintroduced, this contradiction is just sitting there wide open.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
Did you guys actually expected Toei to explain it? They didn't even explained Rosé propertly, and it was one of the special things of the main villain of the arc. We don't even know why he got those insane power ups by pain as well.
Wait for the manga. If not even Toyotaro explains it, then that's it.
Personally, my headcanon for now is that U2 just happens to share some races with U6 and 7, because they are "triplets" universes. There were 18 universes before, so I can see why it could be possible.
Wait for the manga. If not even Toyotaro explains it, then that's it.
Personally, my headcanon for now is that U2 just happens to share some races with U6 and 7, because they are "triplets" universes. There were 18 universes before, so I can see why it could be possible.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
Yes, it is bad writing. I disagree with the orginal poster that Botamo and Magetta should be replaced, but randomly throwing things in the story that contradict what we've been told (the show has implied that only twin universe share species prior to the ToP) and then not explaining it is bad writing in my eyes.Meshack wrote:You can’t call something bad writing if it wasn’t explained. About Botamo and Magetta, the members from the previous tournament needed to participate (Champa said so) so a Tsufruian and Yardratian could not have participatedjplaya2023 wrote:Simply bad writing. Just replace Botamo or Magetta with the Yardat(ian) and the issue is resolved.
Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
It's not a big deal. Maybe Universe 2 has some similar aliens as Universe 6/7.
You might as well ask why there's talking animals like wolves, dogs, cats, pigs, etc. in other universes when they're all based on Earth animals.
You might as well ask why there's talking animals like wolves, dogs, cats, pigs, etc. in other universes when they're all based on Earth animals.
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theres nothing to indicate any races are exclusive to any universe, for all we know weak ass saiyans are in another onePaper Lung wrote:Can someone properly explain this to me without using their head canon? Thanks.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
So if Freeza was a Representative of the 9th Universe, that means Freeza is from the 9th Universe?The_Destroyer wrote:Yes, it is bad writing. I disagree with the orginal poster that Botamo and Magetta should be replaced, but randomly throwing things in the story that contradict what we've been told (the show has implied that only twin universe share species prior to the ToP) and then not explaining it is bad writing in my eyes.Meshack wrote:You can’t call something bad writing if it wasn’t explained. About Botamo and Magetta, the members from the previous tournament needed to participate (Champa said so) so a Tsufruian and Yardratian could not have participatedjplaya2023 wrote:Simply bad writing. Just replace Botamo or Magetta with the Yardat(ian) and the issue is resolved.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
This is a stretch. If he joined Universe 9 they would have explained why.Meshack wrote:So if Freeza was a Representative of the 9th Universe, that means Freeza is from the 9th Universe?The_Destroyer wrote:Yes, it is bad writing. I disagree with the orginal poster that Botamo and Magetta should be replaced, but randomly throwing things in the story that contradict what we've been told (the show has implied that only twin universe share species prior to the ToP) and then not explaining it is bad writing in my eyes.Meshack wrote: You can’t call something bad writing if it wasn’t explained. About Botamo and Magetta, the members from the previous tournament needed to participate (Champa said so) so a Tsufruian and Yardratian could not have participated
But hey if you think it's good writing then lets put Bardock, Grandpa Gohan, and General Blue on the Universe 2 as well and not explain it all. Because according to you that's good writing.
We've know the dragonaball world has had talking animals since day one. Why are their species from Universe 7 in another Universe that's not 7's twin? Just randomly throwing shit in there with no explanation is bad writing.precita wrote:It's not a big deal. Maybe Universe 2 has some similar aliens as Universe 6/7.
You might as well ask why there's talking animals like wolves, dogs, cats, pigs, etc. in other universes when they're all based on Earth animals.
Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
You literally make no senseThe_Destroyer wrote:This is a stretch. If he joined Universe 9 they would have explained why.Meshack wrote:So if Freeza was a Representative of the 9th Universe, that means Freeza is from the 9th Universe?The_Destroyer wrote: Yes, it is bad writing. I disagree with the orginal poster that Botamo and Magetta should be replaced, but randomly throwing things in the story that contradict what we've been told (the show has implied that only twin universe share species prior to the ToP) and then not explaining it is bad writing in my eyes.
But hey if you think it's good writing then lets put Bardock, Grandpa Gohan, and General Blue on the Universe 2 as well and not explain it all. Because according to you that's good writing.
We've know the dragonaball world has had talking animals since day one. Why are their species from Universe 7 in another Universe that's not 7's twin? Just randomly throwing shit in there with no explanation is bad writing.precita wrote:It's not a big deal. Maybe Universe 2 has some similar aliens as Universe 6/7.
You might as well ask why there's talking animals like wolves, dogs, cats, pigs, etc. in other universes when they're all based on Earth animals.
Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
Well they gotta make someone the sexy male shojo character.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
Says the guy throwing out irrelevent examples like Frieza joining Universe 9. How does that compare to randomly putting a Tuffle and Yardrat on a team and giving no reason as to why? It's bad writing.Meshack wrote:You literally make no senseThe_Destroyer wrote:This is a stretch. If he joined Universe 9 they would have explained why.Meshack wrote: So if Freeza was a Representative of the 9th Universe, that means Freeza is from the 9th Universe?
But hey if you think it's good writing then lets put Bardock, Grandpa Gohan, and General Blue on the Universe 2 as well and not explain it all. Because according to you that's good writing.
We've know the dragonaball world has had talking animals since day one. Why are their species from Universe 7 in another Universe that's not 7's twin? Just randomly throwing shit in there with no explanation is bad writing.precita wrote:It's not a big deal. Maybe Universe 2 has some similar aliens as Universe 6/7.
You might as well ask why there's talking animals like wolves, dogs, cats, pigs, etc. in other universes when they're all based on Earth animals.
Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
So, Heles and Pell cannot choose a warrior from another universe but Roh and Sidra can? Yeah that’s pretty good writingThe_Destroyer wrote:Says the guy throwing out irrelevent examples like Frieza joining Universe 9. How does that compare to randomly putting a Tuffle and Yardrat on a team and giving no reason as to why? It's bad writing.Meshack wrote:You literally make no senseThe_Destroyer wrote: This is a stretch. If he joined Universe 9 they would have explained why.
But hey if you think it's good writing then lets put Bardock, Grandpa Gohan, and General Blue on the Universe 2 as well and not explain it all. Because according to you that's good writing.
We've know the dragonaball world has had talking animals since day one. Why are their species from Universe 7 in another Universe that's not 7's twin? Just randomly throwing shit in there with no explanation is bad writing.
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But the show never said that though, which is why I'm saying it's bad writing.Meshack wrote:So, Heles and Pell cannot choose a warrior from another universe but Roh and Sidra can? Yeah that’s pretty good writingThe_Destroyer wrote:Says the guy throwing out irrelevent examples like Frieza joining Universe 9. How does that compare to randomly putting a Tuffle and Yardrat on a team and giving no reason as to why? It's bad writing.Meshack wrote: You literally make no sense
Youe headcanon doesn't change anything.
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I’m not using “headcanon” at all. Just because something isn’t explained yet doesn’t mean it’s bad writing.The_Destroyer wrote:But the show never said that though, which is why I'm saying it's bad writing.Meshack wrote:So, Heles and Pell cannot choose a warrior from another universe but Roh and Sidra can? Yeah that’s pretty good writingThe_Destroyer wrote:
Says the guy throwing out irrelevent examples like Frieza joining Universe 9. How does that compare to randomly putting a Tuffle and Yardrat on a team and giving no reason as to why? It's bad writing.
Youe headcanon doesn't change anything.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
Okay then, let's have Vegeta lose his arm but then he regenerates it. We dont get an explanation as to why he can regrow it. If we go by your logic this isn't bad writing, even though it is.Meshack wrote:I’m not using “headcanon” at all. Just because something isn’t explained yet doesn’t mean it’s bad writing.The_Destroyer wrote:But the show never said that though, which is why I'm saying it's bad writing.Meshack wrote: So, Heles and Pell cannot choose a warrior from another universe but Roh and Sidra can? Yeah that’s pretty good writing
Youe headcanon doesn't change anything.
Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
I think he is there so that after the tournament he is the one teaching Goku an upgraded version of IT that can freely teleport him to other universes (assuming the other universes get brought back after the tournament)
Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
You’re funny.The_Destroyer wrote:Okay then, let's have Vegeta lose his arm but then he regenerates it. We dont get an explanation as to why he can regrow it. If we go by your logic this isn't bad writing, even though it is.Meshack wrote:I’m not using “headcanon” at all. Just because something isn’t explained yet doesn’t mean it’s bad writing.The_Destroyer wrote: But the show never said that though, which is why I'm saying it's bad writing.
Youe headcanon doesn't change anything.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
This flow of comments is out of line for what we expect of our community members. Please course-correct; otherwise, account strikes will be issued.Meshack wrote:You’re funny.The_Destroyer wrote:Okay then, let's have Vegeta lose his arm but then he regenerates it. We dont get an explanation as to why he can regrow it. If we go by your logic this isn't bad writing, even though it is.Meshack wrote: I’m not using “headcanon” at all. Just because something isn’t explained yet doesn’t mean it’s bad writing.
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Re: I still don't understand why Universe 2 has a Yardrat
This is how I feel too.VegettoEX wrote:I really hesitate to classify "Super Saiyan Rage" anywhere in the same ballpark. The show thematically told you everything you needed to know about it, up through and including his final sword attack. I don't need the metaphysical analysis from other characters to understand it any more than that.gofishus wrote:There is no official explanation. If they dont explain this, then its another example of Super's bad writing (much like how they didnt bother to explain Super Saiyan Rage or Vegeta's comment about Kale's SSJ form)
Vegeta's line about the form is right up there with the "Namekian Book of Legends" where it's not particularly offensive, but it's certainly a bit of lore carrot-on-a-stick dangling out there and would be a minor tragedy to go unexplained.
A Yardratian and Tsufruian in some other universe, however, directly contradicts what we've been told in the series up until now. Unlike the Potara retcon which was explained in the same moment it was reintroduced, this contradiction is just sitting there wide open.
To me, Super Saiyan Rage didn't really need explanation since Trunks got mad and he transformed, which is similar to other Super Saiyan forms. We even have Gowasu saying that this was the power of Trunks' rage. The only thing missing was maybe more characters' reactions.
Kale can't really be explained by anyone in the verse since no one knows that the heck it is. U6 didn't even know about Super Saiyan until Cabba met Vegeta and no one in U7 saw such a form before. So not sure what speculation they could have made, especially since 'Broly' doesn't exist within the story of Super.
The Yardratian and the Tuffle is weird since it seems like a plot line that is brought up, but won't be explained until later. I guess it makes sense since no would asked why they're there in the middle of a tournament for survival, where they maybe erased making why they're there a moot point.
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