Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
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Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
[spoiler]I mean he flat out jobbed to Vegeta who’s still far below Beerus.[/spoiler]
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Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
You haven’t seen the episode, as toppo did not job to vegeta. Toppo was far above vegeta at first, and then vegeta gain a boost in power by thinking of his family and his promise to canna, and even then, vegeta resorted to the final explosion, that almost killed him.shadd21 wrote:[spoiler]I mean he flat out jobbed to Vegeta who’s still far below Beerus.[/spoiler]
Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
Yes. Vegeta surpassed him for a moment, that's all.
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Considering Toppo survived the attack and if this was a normal fight outside a tournament he'd still be in the fight...yes? Toppo wasn't killed.
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Yes. Vegeta just surpassed him.
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Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
Basically vegeta and toppo Are both G.o.D level
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Much of this episode didn't make sense. It had possibly one of the lowest quality amounts, in my opinion, for a good number of reasons like the even more blatantly in your face haphazard stratal power reactions and much of the choreography being comprised of generic energy blasts. I was getting reminded of GT quite a number of times throughout this episode.
Is Toppo Hakaishin tier? No, not in my opinion, at least. He was never close to Hakaishin tier. I think he's proven himself to be stronger than the best this tournament has to tournament outside of Jiren, Kefla, and Ultra Instinct Goku; so his positioning could be nestled somewhere between SSJBKKx20 Goku/new blue Vegeta and the Hakaishin.
Is Toppo Hakaishin tier? No, not in my opinion, at least. He was never close to Hakaishin tier. I think he's proven himself to be stronger than the best this tournament has to tournament outside of Jiren, Kefla, and Ultra Instinct Goku; so his positioning could be nestled somewhere between SSJBKKx20 Goku/new blue Vegeta and the Hakaishin.
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Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
He's not a true Hakaishin if someone like Vegeta can beat him with BS asspull pride speech buffs. Sorry Toppo is overrated. Honestly this is probably worse than the SSJ Ikari Spirit Sword Trunks fiasco. This was a new low for Dragon Ball.
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Yes toppo is hakaishin tier, no debate there. Vegeta is just very fucking strong now. People need to know that dbs is ending soon so they have to rush things, even power ups. Its not our fouls that this episode didn’t explain much
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Toppo was on the offense and Vegeta was on the defence and still managed to keep up and block some shots, when he started to attack fuled by his motivation, he had the upper hand, Vegeta was definitely a tiny bit stronger than Toppo overall. And who said Veget'a new form is that far below Beerus?Kenneth La Torre wrote:You haven’t seen the episode, as toppo did not job to vegeta. Toppo was far above vegeta at first, and then vegeta gain a boost in power by thinking of his family and his promise to canna, and even then, vegeta resorted to the final explosion, that almost killed him.shadd21 wrote:[spoiler]I mean he flat out jobbed to Vegeta who’s still far below Beerus.[/spoiler]
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I believe vegeta would give beerus a good fight, I did not say otherwiseAmir wrote:Toppo was on the offense and Vegeta was on the defence and still managed to keep up and block some shots, when he started to attack fuled by his motivation, he had the upper hand, Vegeta was definitely a tiny bit stronger than Toppo overall. And who said Veget'a new form is that far below Beerus?Kenneth La Torre wrote:You haven’t seen the episode, as toppo did not job to vegeta. Toppo was far above vegeta at first, and then vegeta gain a boost in power by thinking of his family and his promise to canna, and even then, vegeta resorted to the final explosion, that almost killed him.shadd21 wrote:[spoiler]I mean he flat out jobbed to Vegeta who’s still far below Beerus.[/spoiler]
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Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
People oversell how powerful Gods of Destruction are, and how powerful Beerus is honestly.
Beerus could probably beat Goku and Vegeta still (though maybe not UI Goku). But I highly doubt he could beat them both fighting him at the same time. Heck, that's implied to be the case in Resurrection of F, when they both only had SSB.
Toppo was definitely God of Destruction-tier. Vegeta just happens to also be around that level now.
Beerus could probably beat Goku and Vegeta still (though maybe not UI Goku). But I highly doubt he could beat them both fighting him at the same time. Heck, that's implied to be the case in Resurrection of F, when they both only had SSB.
Toppo was definitely God of Destruction-tier. Vegeta just happens to also be around that level now.
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It is stated in ep 125 that Toppo is no different than a GoD. So yes he is at the GoD level.
And Vegeta surpassed GoD Toppo, as the title of the episode implies.
And Vegeta surpassed GoD Toppo, as the title of the episode implies.
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Toppo is G.o.D level? Cant even eliminate a single scrub.
He might as well go fight against Roshi or Tien, Who knows? Maybe he will still lose.
He might as well go fight against Roshi or Tien, Who knows? Maybe he will still lose.
Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
So People are flipping because Vegeta surpassed a Hakaishin tier opponent. I wonder What your reactions will be when Ultra instinct Goku will match an opponent who's stronger than a Hakaishin ( Fully powered Jiren). Are you gonna still be in denial and say Beerus is worlds ahead of them ? Right now we don't where current Goku and Vegeta stack up to Beerus because they have much gotten stronger in the TOP.
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Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
Toppo was stated to be no different than any other God of Destruction. Yes, and both Vegeta and SSB Kaioken Goku are above him. Beyond Blue Vegeta=SSB Kaiokenx20 Goku>God of Destruction Toppo.
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Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
Yes, but I think he was low GoD level considering he was new and didn't master his powers yet.
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Re: Was Hakai! Toppo really G.o.D level?
Was Toppo at the level the other Hakaishin were? I think not, despite his showing.
While Vegeta may have beaten a new Hakaishin and not a Hakaishin that's been around 75 million years like Beerus, but he still has much more left in the tank, as seen in the NEP. I think it's safe to say by the time Super ends, Vegeta would have surpassed Hakaishin level.
While Vegeta may have beaten a new Hakaishin and not a Hakaishin that's been around 75 million years like Beerus, but he still has much more left in the tank, as seen in the NEP. I think it's safe to say by the time Super ends, Vegeta would have surpassed Hakaishin level.
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Beerus is still stronger than toppo. Can you imagine beerus using the energy of destruction like that? Beerus uses his own power and doesn't hakai spam. I'm sorry but literally nothing about toppo made me think he was stronger than other gods of destruction..
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If Toppo was taken out by a Blue Vegeta does that mean he's weaker than Kefla who was taken out by an UI Goku ?
I know vegeta got a power boost but it couldn't have been on an UI level could it ?
I know vegeta got a power boost but it couldn't have been on an UI level could it ?
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