Diccolo-420 wrote:
You were talking about CoD's ratings, which amongst its hardcore fanboys were high but overall has been poor, just look at the steam ratings for the past 3 or 4. You're using your situation to determine the reason for watching super for everyone else, but still you dont have to watch the original dragon ball to fall into this category as most simply watched Z and associate themselves with it.
I know this is true, but the statistics would be nice on that, but yes super is better than GT but not by much, and since it's been years since anything new with dragon ball has come out of course it's done better simply because of the time between Z and Super, whereas GT came out almost instantly after. Super also sells better because toriyama is behind the writing, again name recognition.
Some fans may like jiren, but it's pretty clear that ever since his pathetic backstory came out the hype has died down. He's become a generic anime antagonist at best, at worst he has no personality and nothing that makes him interesting other than his strength. You're arguing for ad ignorantiam here without using elements from the show to prove your point. And yes a lot of people do lap up anything super throws at them because it's dragon ball.
My problem isn't one's opinion, but people pushing opinion as a fact and then saying that people only likes something because 'they enjoy anything Super gives them'. That isn't an argument, that's being dismissive. I also didn't say 'only here', I said that I have been other places that have been far more positive about the last few episodes than here with some calling it some of the best, which I don't personally agree with but whatever. In fact, Kanzenshuu as a whole is the most negative place I have seen for Dragon Ball as a whole, not just Super.
You're guilty of the exact same thing, and yes it is dismissive but it's a supplement to their argument, not the argument itself. Kanzenshuu is definitely critical, but there are places that are pretty close to being critical of super, and sure they are critical of the series as a whole but they do it because they care about the franchise.
Here's the thing, stuff like games have far more objective parts than a TV show. For example, we have gameplay, do the game works, is the net codes good, ect. Call of Duty fills are these marks, so objectively they're not bad games. So you have to go to game score to get an idea how the general feels about it, otherwise 'Call of Duty is terrible, but people keep buying it' comes off as awkward. Like, what is objectify bad about Call of Duty? The story, the linear levels, the samey game play? Give me something other than 'look at Call of Duty' since that doesn't tell me anything other than look at MC and looked at the overall reviews it got. And MC has a bit more weight than someone's random opinion ion a forum since I can look at the reviewers history and see if I agree with their points in the past.
'Not by much' by who's standards? Also, time really doesn't have anything to do with it since people say Battle of Gods is the best thing about Dragon Ball and it came out recently. Yet, people are willing to buy 'mediocre' retellings when they could buy the 'superior' movie for less than half the price. Why that is, I don't pretend to know, but again it's dismissive to say 'well, these people don't know better or because Super is new and shining'. I mean, new and shining rarely carries anything for more than a couple of months and Super had been in the US for over a year now.
I am not using elements for the show because to be blunt, they don't matter here. I can go on about why I think Super is superior to Z to me, but that's my opinion which most don't care for. The most you can do is simply looked at the general opinion and come up with an idea of how the 'fandom' viewed a produced.
When have I been dismissive. Did I say you were wrong to have those opinions about Super? Did I saw you only like Z because you grew up with it or something?
Anyone who calls themselves a fan cares about the franchise to one extent or another, so this isn't just limited to 'being critical'. You can be critical of something and still loved it. Also, using 'well we're critical' is often used a smokescreen for being negative for the sake of it, or just venting when something happened within a series that someone don't like.
And for the record, even the places who have been more positive about Super are also critical of its faults. It isn't all kissing Super's ass or something.
