TysonWine wrote:"Jiren's fast, heavy blow is too much for even Goku in Ultra Instinct mode to dodge."
Well, there you go. This is for the fans that were saying "Goku reached the pinnacle of strength, there's no where for him to go after this." As usual, if you're strong enough, you can overcome anything. Such is the way of Dragon Ball. Jiren's gonna get some hits in. If he can do it, surely a future antagonist can as well.
Those naruto fans and pokemon cos players trying to seep their philosophy of power into the Dragonball world.
Where they think "tech," "counters", "skill" can somehow overcome battle power. In a simple world where higher Ki means victory.
Ki Breaker wrote:
What I find hilarious about this is the fact Toriyama isn't even sure what makes Dragonball unique..
Sounds promising! I'd guess the pages with the titles and summaries will surface any time now. I'm guessing they haven't just yet since Herms hasn't posted his usual translations.
Michsi wrote:Uuuh, ominous..... probably means nothing. but still
Here's a theory I hadn't considered. What if it does end with a cliffhanger but ties in and gets resolved in the movie.
What's ominous about it? 'A Miraculous Conclusion' is like the exact opposite of ominous. It's not like anything bad can happen to Goku since, you know, interquel. At worst he leaves on those 'training trips' Bulma talks about in EoZ.
So it looks to be a happy ending after all. Considering that "Miraculous" is in the title, I think something bad will probably happen like Freeza winning, and then Whis will turn back time or something along the lines of that.
I dunno what I'll do on the weekends after Super ends.
Uuuh, ominous..... probably means nothing. but still
Here's a theory I hadn't considered. What if it does end with a cliffhanger but ties in and gets resolved in the movie.
Not sure how the history of the Saiyans strength ties into the TOP.
Not the TOP necessarily , but if something happens to Goku because of his power/transformation, they could use that as a springboard for looking deeper into saiyan heritage and what not. Meaning the tournament and erasure issue gets resolved, but something else occurs in the final episode. People have already wondered why Takahashi is being used on the final episode when the heavy stuff is supposed to happen in 130, and 131 should just wrap things up.
Baseless speculation, since the previous title alluded to a simple good-bye, but my mind wonders.
BlueBasilisk wrote:
What's ominous about it? 'A Miraculous Conclusion' is like the exact opposite of ominous. It's not like anything bad can happen to Goku since, you know, interquel. At worst he leaves on those 'training trips' Bulma talks about in EoZ.
Well, obviously not that part, but "Farewell Goku." I'm not that good with Japanese terms, but if it's "saraba da" then that has a more serious ring to it. I think...
Uuuh, ominous..... probably means nothing. but still
Here's a theory I hadn't considered. What if it does end with a cliffhanger but ties in and gets resolved in the movie.
Not sure how the history of the Saiyans strength ties into the TOP.
Not the TOP necessarily , but if something happens to Goku because of his power/transformation, they could use that as a springboard for looking deeper into saiyan heritage and what not. Meaning the tournament and erasure issue gets resolved, but something else occurs in the final episode. People have already wondered why Takahashi is being used on the final episode when the heavy stuff is supposed to happen in 130, and 131 should just wrap things up.
Baseless speculation, since the previous title alluded to a simple good-bye, but my mind wonders.
BlueBasilisk wrote:
What's ominous about it? 'A Miraculous Conclusion' is like the exact opposite of ominous. It's not like anything bad can happen to Goku since, you know, interquel. At worst he leaves on those 'training trips' Bulma talks about in EoZ.
Well, obviously not that part, but "Farewell Goku." I'm not that good with Japanese terms, but if it's "saraba da" then that has a more serious ring to it. I think...
If you have Twitter, you can directly asked Herms about it.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
HeroR wrote:
Not sure how the history of the Saiyans strength ties into the TOP.
Not the TOP necessarily , but if something happens to Goku because of his power/transformation, they could use that as a springboard for looking deeper into saiyan heritage and what not. Meaning the tournament and erasure issue gets resolved, but something else occurs in the final episode. People have already wondered why Takahashi is being used on the final episode when the heavy stuff is supposed to happen in 130, and 131 should just wrap things up.
Baseless speculation, since the previous title alluded to a simple good-bye, but my mind wonders.
BlueBasilisk wrote:
What's ominous about it? 'A Miraculous Conclusion' is like the exact opposite of ominous. It's not like anything bad can happen to Goku since, you know, interquel. At worst he leaves on those 'training trips' Bulma talks about in EoZ.
Well, obviously not that part, but "Farewell Goku." I'm not that good with Japanese terms, but if it's "saraba da" then that has a more serious ring to it. I think...
If you have Twitter, you can directly asked Herms about it.
I think he'll go into detail later- he usually does- but I am curious if I'm reading too much into this. All I know is that "saraba da", which I think is what "さらば" is ( without the "da" ) has more finality to it. Not as much as "sayounara", which apparently is an uncommon term and barely ever used anyway, but also not a "see ya later" either.
Anyway, there's layers to these terms that only a native-level speaker can see.
I hope that after years of magazines spoiling stuff that are going to happen on the series, at least for the final episode they could kept without synopsis.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Michsi wrote:I think he'll go into detail later- he usually does- but I am curious if I'm reading too much into this. All I know is that "saraba da", which I think is what "さらば" is ( without the "da" ) has more finality to it. Not as much as "sayounara", which apparently is an uncommon term and barely ever used anyway, but also not a "see ya later" either.
Anyway, there's layers to these terms that only a native-level speaker can see.
I'd say you're probably worrying too much. It's the same wording used in GT's final episode, same as it was in the provisional title. I wasn't able to find anything about it carrying extra finality, only that it's archaic and not something you'd use seriously or in a formal setting (one site I read likened it to 'adios'), but if it did, it's the series finale, so an air of finality makes perfect sense. We already know where Goku is a couple years from this point so what can happen?
Michsi wrote:I think he'll go into detail later- he usually does- but I am curious if I'm reading too much into this. All I know is that "saraba da", which I think is what "さらば" is ( without the "da" ) has more finality to it. Not as much as "sayounara", which apparently is an uncommon term and barely ever used anyway, but also not a "see ya later" either.
Anyway, there's layers to these terms that only a native-level speaker can see.
I'd say you're probably worrying too much. It's the same wording used in GT's final episode, same as it was in the provisional title. I wasn't able to find anything about it carrying extra finality, only that it's archaic and not something you'd use seriously or in a formal setting (one site I read likened it to 'adios'), but if it did, it's the series finale, so an air of finality makes perfect sense. We already know where Goku is a couple years from this point so what can happen?
Well, yeah it's not something I'm seriously considering, and also pretty sure it won't end with a cliffhanger (people really hoped for that because it was a guarantee that DB would return as a series, I guess), but that they changed it from "until we meet again" to "farewell" struck me as odd . Maybe it's just that farewell sounds more weighty in English.
"A Miraculous Conclusion! Farewell Goku" - It does not sound like: "we'll meet next year".
It's very like this: "Goodbye, Goku… Until the Day We Meet Again" We know what that meant: 18 years. I think this was the last DB series with Masako Nozawa and and it was the last time when Akira Toriyama wrote the story.
Sani007 wrote:"A Miraculous Conclusion! Farewell Goku" - It does not sound like: "we'll meet next year".
It's very like this: "Goodbye, Goku… Until the Day We Meet Again" We know what that meant: 18 years. I think this was the last DB series with Masako Nozawa and and it was the last time when Akira Toriyama wrote the story.
Farewell Goku basically means 'farewell billions of yen ...' Don't you worry, he'll come back.
Nozawa, I've seen her on youtube, she still looks very fit for a a woman in her 80's, wouldn't be surprised she would do it again anywhere the coming 5-10 years if her health allows it. She really does it with all her heart. And Toriyama ... he only has to write a script to make insane lot of cash. So i think both Goku and Toriyama will return a lot sooner than you'd might think. Don't you worry, brother!
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I'd guess the pages with the titles and summaries will surface any time now. I'm guessing they haven't just yet since Herms hasn't posted his usual translations.
It's not like anything bad can happen to Goku since, you know, interquel. At worst he leaves on those 'training trips' Bulma talks about in EoZ.
