Timetraveller wrote:Ribrianne was purposely created to be one of the most one-dimensional characters in the whole show. It was Toei's attempt at parodying the Sailor Moon genre. Out of the 80 fighters from the other universes, only 4 or 5 were given significant screen time. Most of the characters (and their ideologies) ended up being complete stereotypes/tropes from other shows. Jiren was the loner who needed to be convinced of the power of friendship, Ribrianne the Sailor Moon "beauty is all" character and Toppo the overly obsessed Justice superhero. No one else got any meaningful characterization. It didn't help that Jiren's generic motivations were rushed and left too late to properly explore.
Thats actually why I disliked the newer characters, none of them were portrayed with any originality. Too much of them was just straw-parodies of tropes taken from other anime or shounen cliches. I just never liked the idea of DB parodying things from other anime in it's own. Toriyama just had expies of premises or subtle references. The characters just don't seem like anything but that. Toppo really made me hate Anime characters that utter the word "justice" by how many times he said it. I still think the Ribrianne hate is a bit exaggerated though, she just seemed to fit as a One Punch Man character to me.
PFM18 wrote: Along with the idea that Zeno is ultimately testing the ethics of the mortal beings and they are manipulating the mortals for their own entertainment there creates this unspoken between them. Put this together and it has a sneaky good plot behind just the fighting.
No.That sounds more like what was interpreted, none of that was actually hinted to be intentional. Even if it was, it doesn't really make sense to test them just by fighting or to then tell them, if they didn't make that one wish, that they'd die anyway. The only universe that was criticized was U9, and yet they were brought back anyway with no real issue known to them to change nor were the other universes actually tested to change specifically on this and none of the other universes were stated to have the same issues and U7's wasn't confirmed at all. It wasn't a real plot twist.
Forte224 wrote:Super by a mile. It had some really aggravating moments, as well as extremely lackluster finales to its arcs (minus this latest one), but it still had a lot of great moments that made the cast not seem static since they defeated Boo. Vegeta in particular changed a lot, but it never felt too out of place. Even the "save Cabba" stuff wasn't as annoying to me as I reflected on it more and more.
Sounds like a personalized overview there, but this doesn't really rate the quality of writing for Super to establish these things, it seems to just force the audience to interpret the vague things how they want and then they judge the quality of Super based on what makes sense to them, which I think is bad writing. Not to mention the only character that really did anything even semi-significant besides Goku & Vegeta was Gohan. One character. I cant say that Super is that far better than GT, it seems just like basic rounded writing if they consider actually using other underused characters for a situation the way Toriyama used to; rather than focusing just on marketing Goku as their status quo.