Do you think a guidebook would...

[PFM18]

Do you think that an upcoming DBS guidebook or any supplementary material would ever reveal how much the weights Goku and Vegeta were using when they trained with Whis were? Or the weight of their weighted suits that they used when training with Whis? I think it would be a fun power-scaling type piece of information.

[PsionicWarrior]

I want flashbacks of off-screen trainings lol

[Meshack]

Doubt it. We just know the suits Whis gave to Gokou and Vegega for punishment were super heavy for them. In the comic, Vegeta was unable to lift Otta Magetta who was at least 1000 tons, even as a Super Saiyan.

[ToshioWrites]

Doubt it. We just know the suits Whis gave to Gokou and Vegega for punishment were super heavy for them. In the comic, Vegeta was unable to lift Otta Magetta who was at least 1000 tons, even as a Super Saiyan.

Which made no sense. Goku in the buu arc could life 40 tons as a super saiyan and by the time of the u6 tournament, goku and vegeta in their natural states were as strong as SSG Goku in BoG so as a super saiyan vegeta should have had 0 issues

[Asura]

Good luck to the poor saps that would have to throw the guidebook together, god knows how impossible it is to make sense of some of the stuff in Super.

[PFM18]

Doubt it. We just know the suits Whis gave to Gokou and Vegega for punishment were super heavy for them. In the comic, Vegeta was unable to lift Otta Magetta who was at least 1000 tons, even as a Super Saiyan.

Yet another example of the manga being trash. Goku could lift 40 tons in base during 7 years before the Buu arc. That implies Goku pre buu arc>Vegeta U6 tournament

The anime sheds no light on how heavy they are or how much Goku/Vegeta can lift

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Which made no sense. Goku in the buu arc could life 40 tons as a super saiyan and by the time of the u6 tournament, goku and vegeta in their natural states were as strong as SSG Goku in BoG so as a super saiyan vegeta should have had 0 issues

Toyotaro's manga doesn't include any variation of a scene with the Saiyans absorbing the power of Super Saiyan God once it wears off. They simply retain the form in their arsenal to be used at will instead in his continuity, rather than the anime's slightly confusing approach.

[ToshioWrites]

Doubt it. We just know the suits Whis gave to Gokou and Vegega for punishment were super heavy for them. In the comic, Vegeta was unable to lift Otta Magetta who was at least 1000 tons, even as a Super Saiyan.

Yet another example of the manga being trash. Goku could lift 40 tons in base during 7 years before the Buu arc. That implies Goku pre buu arc>Vegeta U6 tournament

The anime sheds no light on how heavy they are or how much Goku/Vegeta can lift

Goku was a super saiyan when he lifted 40 tons and as DevilCorpse below pointed out, the manga has never shown or indicated that goku/vegeta base forms are superior to BoG SSG Goku which i forgot about

[Meshack]

Which made no sense. Goku in the buu arc could life 40 tons as a super saiyan and by the time of the u6 tournament, goku and vegeta in their natural states were as strong as SSG Goku in BoG so as a super saiyan vegeta should have had 0 issues

Toyotaro's manga doesn't include any variation of a scene with the Saiyans absorbing the power of Super Saiyan God once it wears off. They simply retain the form in their arsenal to be used at will instead in his continuity, rather than the anime's slightly confusing approach.

Gokou did absorb the power of God in the comic. It just wasn’t talked about. Gokou would not have known in the movie and cartoon if he didn’t ask Beerus. That’s why we know.

[Meshack]

Doubt it. We just know the suits Whis gave to Gokou and Vegega for punishment were super heavy for them. In the comic, Vegeta was unable to lift Otta Magetta who was at least 1000 tons, even as a Super Saiyan.

Yet another example of the manga being trash. Goku could lift 40 tons in base during 7 years before the Buu arc. That implies Goku pre buu arc>Vegeta U6 tournament

The anime sheds no light on how heavy they are or how much Goku/Vegeta can lift

When did that happen? Gokou struggled with 40 tons while using Bukuujutsu in his normal form until he transformed. I believe Daizenshuu talks about it being weight training with Bukuujutsu, not just weight training.

[ToshioWrites]

Which made no sense. Goku in the buu arc could life 40 tons as a super saiyan and by the time of the u6 tournament, goku and vegeta in their natural states were as strong as SSG Goku in BoG so as a super saiyan vegeta should have had 0 issues

Toyotaro's manga doesn't include any variation of a scene with the Saiyans absorbing the power of Super Saiyan God once it wears off. They simply retain the form in their arsenal to be used at will instead in his continuity, rather than the anime's slightly confusing approach.

Gokou did absorb the power of God in the comic. It just wasn’t talked about. Gokou would not have known in the movie and cartoon if he didn’t ask Beerus. That’s why we know.

No he didn't cause he never dropped out of ssg into super saiyan vs beerus. He fought the entire time in ssg and was finally completely beaten, at no point did he fight in his golden hair forms.

[PFM18]

Doubt it. We just know the suits Whis gave to Gokou and Vegega for punishment were super heavy for them. In the comic, Vegeta was unable to lift Otta Magetta who was at least 1000 tons, even as a Super Saiyan.

Yet another example of the manga being trash. Goku could lift 40 tons in base during 7 years before the Buu arc. That implies Goku pre buu arc>Vegeta U6 tournament

The anime sheds no light on how heavy they are or how much Goku/Vegeta can lift

Goku was a super saiyan when he lifted 40 tons and as DevilCorpse below pointed out, the manga has never shown or indicated that goku/vegeta base forms are superior to BoG SSG Goku which i forgot about

He was struggling to carry it but he still could. Once he became a super saiyan it became light as a feather. The manga doesnt have any "infusion of god power scene" but vegeta should still be several fold stronger than pre Buu arc Goku and they showed vegeta to be weaker.
1000/50 = 20 tons
Goku lifted 40 tons

Hence the manga implying Goku pre buu arc> Vegeta U6 arc

[Meshack]

Toyotaro's manga doesn't include any variation of a scene with the Saiyans absorbing the power of Super Saiyan God once it wears off. They simply retain the form in their arsenal to be used at will instead in his continuity, rather than the anime's slightly confusing approach.

Gokou did absorb the power of God in the comic. It just wasn’t talked about. Gokou would not have known in the movie and cartoon if he didn’t ask Beerus. That’s why we know.

No he didn't cause he never dropped out of ssg into super saiyan vs beerus. He fought the entire time in ssg and was finally completely beaten, at no point did he fight in his golden hair forms.

Toyotarou only had a certain amount of pages at the time, far less than he has now. There’s no way he could have concluded that battle and teased Freeza’s return with less than 20 pages. He already skipped tons of stuff that was in the movie and TV animated version. Toyotarou had tons to juggle with and didn’t have time to explain it. Everything is the comic basically goes with the movie and animated version just not seen. Just because he didn’t get to explain it means it didn’t happen?

[Meshack]

Yet another example of the manga being trash. Goku could lift 40 tons in base during 7 years before the Buu arc. That implies Goku pre buu arc>Vegeta U6 tournament

The anime sheds no light on how heavy they are or how much Goku/Vegeta can lift

Goku was a super saiyan when he lifted 40 tons and as DevilCorpse below pointed out, the manga has never shown or indicated that goku/vegeta base forms are superior to BoG SSG Goku which i forgot about

He was struggling to carry it but he still could. Once he became a super saiyan it became light as a feather. The manga doesnt have any "infusion of god power scene" but vegeta should still be several fold stronger than pre Buu arc Goku and they showed vegeta to be weaker.
1000/50 = 20 tons
Goku lifted 40 tons

Hence the manga implying Goku pre buu arc> Vegeta U6 arc

The comic didn’t show Gokou versus Freeza. Does that mean it didn’t happen?

[Rakurai]

Toyotarou only had a certain amount of pages at the time, far less than he has now. There’s no way he could have concluded that battle and teased Freeza’s return with less than 20 pages. He already skipped tons of stuff that was in the movie and TV animated version. Toyotarou had tons to juggle with and didn’t have time to explain it. Everything is the comic basically goes with the movie and animated version just not seen. Just because he didn’t get to explain it means it didn’t happen?

SSG is an active transformation. Absorbing SSG is either fan canon or has been retconned.

Toei did it and guess what, they ignored SSG for almost 100 episodes, and only started using it after Toyotaro's usage of the form was already in existence. Toei backtracked and retconned it cause they probably realized they could sell more toys by shoehorning it in for whatever random reason.

There's a very obvious reason why Toyo didn't include that scene. It was done intentionally and deliberately. He wanted to keep SSG relevant by making it an active form and planned ahead. Goku didn't absorb SSG's power in the manga, period. Anything else is headcanon.

As for the guidebook. Super's guidebook would prob not include a lot of powerscaling details. And if it did, it would prob just contradict itself with the show and cause more shitstorm towards fans.

[Meshack]

Toyotarou only had a certain amount of pages at the time, far less than he has now. There’s no way he could have concluded that battle and teased Freeza’s return with less than 20 pages. He already skipped tons of stuff that was in the movie and TV animated version. Toyotarou had tons to juggle with and didn’t have time to explain it. Everything is the comic basically goes with the movie and animated version just not seen. Just because he didn’t get to explain it means it didn’t happen?

SSG is an active transformation. Absorbing SSG is either fan canon or has been retconned.

Toei did it and guess what, they ignored SSG for almost 100 episodes, and only started using it after Toyotaro's usage of the form was already in existence. Toei backtracked and retconned it cause they probably realized they could sell more toys by shoehorning it in for whatever random reason.

There's a very obvious reason why Toyo didn't include that scene. It was done intentionally and deliberately. He wanted to keep SSG relevant by making it an active form and planned ahead. Goku didn't absorb SSG's power in the manga, period. Anything else is headcanon.

As for the guidebook. Super's guidebook would prob not include a lot of powerscaling details. And if it did, it would prob just contradict itself with the show and cause more shitstorm towards fans.

Fans believed Gokou couldn’t become a golden Super Saiyan after achieving Blue but guess what? He did. Absorbing the power of God doesn’t mean he can’t use the form. But believe what you want

[BlueBasilisk]

Fans believed Gokou couldn’t become a golden Super Saiyan after achieving Blue but guess what? He did. Absorbing the power of God doesn’t mean he can’t use the form. But believe what you want

I don't get why people struggle with the concept so much. It's the same as GT Goku allegedly being as strong as SS3 Buu Saga Goku. It doesn't stop him from transforming into SS3, he's just that much stronger.

[PFM18]

Toyotarou only had a certain amount of pages at the time, far less than he has now. There’s no way he could have concluded that battle and teased Freeza’s return with less than 20 pages. He already skipped tons of stuff that was in the movie and TV animated version. Toyotarou had tons to juggle with and didn’t have time to explain it. Everything is the comic basically goes with the movie and animated version just not seen. Just because he didn’t get to explain it means it didn’t happen?

SSG is an active transformation. Absorbing SSG is either fan canon or has been retconned.

Toei did it and guess what, they ignored SSG for almost 100 episodes, and only started using it after Toyotaro's usage of the form was already in existence. Toei backtracked and retconned it cause they probably realized they could sell more toys by shoehorning it in for whatever random reason.

There's a very obvious reason why Toyo didn't include that scene. It was done intentionally and deliberately. He wanted to keep SSG relevant by making it an active form and planned ahead. Goku didn't absorb SSG's power in the manga, period. Anything else is headcanon.

As for the guidebook. Super's guidebook would prob not include a lot of powerscaling details. And if it did, it would prob just contradict itself with the show and cause more shitstorm towards fans.

How does any of this indicate a retcon? This has nothing to do with the toys. For the most part why use SSG when you can use SSB?

[Doctor.]

Doubt it. We just know the suits Whis gave to Gokou and Vegega for punishment were super heavy for them. In the comic, Vegeta was unable to lift Otta Magetta who was at least 1000 tons, even as a Super Saiyan.

Yet another example of the manga being trash. Goku could lift 40 tons in base during 7 years before the Buu arc. That implies Goku pre buu arc>Vegeta U6 tournament

The anime sheds no light on how heavy they are or how much Goku/Vegeta can lift

How is Goku being able to lift 40 tons and Vegeta being unable to lift 1000 prove anything? There's a pretty huge gap between the two numbers.

[Rakurai]

How does any of this indicate a retcon? This has nothing to do with the toys. For the most part why use SSG when you can use SSB?

Literally the success and continuation of a show has to do with the toys. Ratings and merchandise. I don't believe that they brought back SSG just for kicks lol.

SSG is less stamina consuming. In times when he could save stamina, why didn't Goku use SSG against Frieza? Against Hit? Against Gohan? and so on and so forth.

Bringing back SSG was random and literally did nothing in the comeback episode whatsoever. It was missing for almost 100 episodes with no indication it could still be used for muhstamina. Yeah sure it wasn't a retcon.