Toyotaro isn't incompetent. Kale's muscular form slows her down similar to SSJ grade 3. The pride troopers are able to predict her moves and get out of the way in time, and this is because of her decreased speed, not because Toyotaro made a mistake.Doctor. wrote:She defeated Golden Freeza, she slapped Toppo and SSB Vegeta away and she defeated Anilaza. Yes, she is, no matter how incompetent Toyo is at portraying that strength during her scuffle with the Pride Troopers.Omniboy wrote:Am I correct in saying that Kale's super saiyan form is nowhere near as strong as SSB Goku and Golden Frieza?
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Looks good to me!Doctor. wrote:So, SS Goku > Tupper > Berserker Kale > SSB Goku = Golden Freeza.
That's what I've managed to gather. Can't find any faults here.
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Tupper is not stronger than Kale. Kale is slow.PFM18 wrote:Looks good to me!Doctor. wrote:So, SS Goku > Tupper > Berserker Kale > SSB Goku = Golden Freeza.
That's what I've managed to gather. Can't find any faults here.
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Where is that stated? They just say she's predictable, not that she's slow.Bergamo wrote:Toyotaro isn't incompetent. Kale's muscular form slows her down similar to SSJ grade 3. The pride troopers are able to predict her moves and get out of the way in time, and this is because of her decreased speed, not because Toyotaro made a mistake.Doctor. wrote:She defeated Golden Freeza, she slapped Toppo and SSB Vegeta away and she defeated Anilaza. Yes, she is, no matter how incompetent Toyo is at portraying that strength during her scuffle with the Pride Troopers.Omniboy wrote:Am I correct in saying that Kale's super saiyan form is nowhere near as strong as SSB Goku and Golden Frieza?
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He never said Tupper was stronger than Kale.Bergamo wrote:Tupper is not stronger than Kale. Kale is slow.PFM18 wrote:Looks good to me!Doctor. wrote:So, SS Goku > Tupper > Berserker Kale > SSB Goku = Golden Freeza.
That's what I've managed to gather. Can't find any faults here.
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Are you blind?Omniboy wrote:He never said Tupper was stronger than Kale.Bergamo wrote:Tupper is not stronger than Kale. Kale is slow.PFM18 wrote:
Looks good to me!
https://mobile.twitter.com/Herms98/stat ... 1381497856Doctor. wrote:Where is that stated? They just say she's predictable, not that she's slow.Bergamo wrote:Toyotaro isn't incompetent. Kale's muscular form slows her down similar to SSJ grade 3. The pride troopers are able to predict her moves and get out of the way in time, and this is because of her decreased speed, not because Toyotaro made a mistake.Doctor. wrote: She defeated Golden Freeza, she slapped Toppo and SSB Vegeta away and she defeated Anilaza. Yes, she is, no matter how incompetent Toyo is at portraying that strength during her scuffle with the Pride Troopers.
The mods locked the thread as a way to stop blind hatred coming from people who don't have proper context. You are the problem.
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No, need to angry. I probably just misread it.Bergamo wrote:Are you blind?Omniboy wrote:He never said Tupper was stronger than Kale.Bergamo wrote: Tupper is not stronger than Kale. Kale is slow.
I thought he was saying that Tupper is stronger than SSJ Goku, Berserker Kale is stronger than Tupper, and both SSB Goku and Golden Frieza are both stronger than Berserker Kale.
Honestly I proabably just misinterpreted what the arrows meant. My bad
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I've seen the tweet. He doesn't say she's slower, he says her attacks are easy to read. Those are two different things.Bergamo wrote:The mods locked the thread as a way to stop blind hatred coming from people who don't have proper context. You are the problem.
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Yeah he did. Look at the power chainOmniboy wrote:He never said Tupper was stronger than Kale.Bergamo wrote:Tupper is not stronger than Kale. Kale is slow.PFM18 wrote:
Looks good to me!
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I misinterpreted what the arrows meant, but I don't see how Tupper is stronger than Kale.PFM18 wrote:Yeah he did. Look at the power chainOmniboy wrote:He never said Tupper was stronger than Kale.Bergamo wrote: Tupper is not stronger than Kale. Kale is slow.
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The tweet says that the line is a direct reference to Trunks from the cell saga. Trunks was too slow, thus why you can infer that Kale is too slow. Also, the tweet implies that this is a problem with her form, not that she's just bad at martial arts.Doctor. wrote:I've seen the tweet. He doesn't say she's slower, he says her attacks are easy to read. Those are two different things.Bergamo wrote:The mods locked the thread as a way to stop blind hatred coming from people who don't have proper context. You are the problem.
He's not. People are just trying to discredit the manga based on misinterpretations of some untranslated panels.Omniboy wrote:I misinterpreted what the arrows meant, but I don't see how Tupper is stronger than Kale.PFM18 wrote:Yeah he did. Look at the power chainOmniboy wrote:
He never said Tupper was stronger than Kale.
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The issue here is that Kale still shouldn't be getting hurt, the fact she's a slow doesn't diminsh the fact her other attributes are still considerably higher than the people she's fighting, meaning she still shouldn't be getting hurt by them.Bergamo wrote:The tweet says that the line is a direct reference to Trunks from the cell saga. Trunks was too slow, thus why you can infer that Kale is too slow. Also, the tweet implies that this is a problem with her form, not that she's just bad at martial arts.Doctor. wrote:I've seen the tweet. He doesn't say she's slower, he says her attacks are easy to read. Those are two different things.Bergamo wrote:The mods locked the thread as a way to stop blind hatred coming from people who don't have proper context. You are the problem.
This is like tank being seriously damaged by regular infantry fire because it's not fast enough.
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Not only is she getting wailed on by 7 people of varying strengths, but her form is quickly exhausting and killing her.ekrolo2 wrote:The issue here is that Kale still shouldn't be getting hurt, the fact she's a slow doesn't diminsh the fact her other attributes are still considerably higher than the people she's fighting, meaning she still shouldn't be getting hurt by them.Bergamo wrote:The tweet says that the line is a direct reference to Trunks from the cell saga. Trunks was too slow, thus why you can infer that Kale is too slow. Also, the tweet implies that this is a problem with her form, not that she's just bad at martial arts.Doctor. wrote: I've seen the tweet. He doesn't say she's slower, he says her attacks are easy to read. Those are two different things.
This is like tank being seriously damaged by regular infantry fire because it's not fast enough.
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The power scale in the manga was already screwed when they decided to give Black a Super Saiyan form.The gr wrote:WTF Base Gohan deflected a ki blast from SSJ Kefla like it was nothing.Next month is gonna be the biggest shitshow, R.I.P to the powerscaling in the manga.
This chapter is seriously awful and ruins the tournament. How can anyone defend the manga is beyond me.
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Oh look, a other person who dislikes the manga because they don't fundamentally understand it.ZombieVito wrote:The power scale in the manga was already screwed when they decided to give Black a Super Saiyan form.The gr wrote:WTF Base Gohan deflected a ki blast from SSJ Kefla like it was nothing.Next month is gonna be the biggest shitshow, R.I.P to the powerscaling in the manga.
This chapter is seriously awful and ruins the tournament. How can anyone defend the manga is beyond me.
Let me guess...
-"Super Saiyan Black is fighting SSB Vegeta! Screw context, that's duuuuummmb.:
-"Vegeta using SSG is duuummmb."
-"I wanted to wait another 3 months for the fodder characters to get eliminated. Actually, if that happened I'd call the manga boring."
I'm thinking about making a post to explain the powerscaling in the manga, so that people like you will stop your blind hatred.
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Is that really the case?Bergamo wrote:Not only is she getting wailed on by 7 people of varying strengths, but her form is quickly exhausting and killing her.ekrolo2 wrote:The issue here is that Kale still shouldn't be getting hurt, the fact she's a slow doesn't diminsh the fact her other attributes are still considerably higher than the people she's fighting, meaning she still shouldn't be getting hurt by them.Bergamo wrote: The tweet says that the line is a direct reference to Trunks from the cell saga. Trunks was too slow, thus why you can infer that Kale is too slow. Also, the tweet implies that this is a problem with her form, not that she's just bad at martial arts.
This is like tank being seriously damaged by regular infantry fire because it's not fast enough.
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I'm curious too since they say she'll destroy herself but it seems like they're just overpowering her because she's slow.Lord Beerus wrote:Is that really the case?Bergamo wrote:Not only is she getting wailed on by 7 people of varying strengths, but her form is quickly exhausting and killing her.
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This is a perfect case study of why you shouldn't judge a manga that's not in a language you understand.
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I kind of have to point out that they weren't overpowering her like 1 on 1. They were all rapidly moving around her waiting for her guard to go down so that they could wait for the perfect opportunity to strike.
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I feel Kale was overpowered a bit, making Gohan having any sort of chance against ssj Kefla make no sense. Either that or ssj Kefla is barely stronger than Kale, or is maybe the same level with better speed and control, but even then Gohan shouldn't be above SSB or Golden Frieza. I guess we'll see next chapter, but it's being heavily implies he is about to do something.