Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
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Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
Now, for the longest time, I've thought that Super Saiyan Blue Evolution was the SSB version of Super Saiyan 2. But then, the last Dragon Ball Super blu ray came out and pretty much debunked that theory, stating that it's actually the SSB version of Super Saiyan Grade 2. But I think to myself, "Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 even possible?"
So that's why I wanna ask you guys. Do you think Super Saiyan Blue 2 is possible?
So that's why I wanna ask you guys. Do you think Super Saiyan Blue 2 is possible?
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
If SsjB can have a grade 2 then theoretically it could have a Ssj2 and possibly 3 but I think the days of those forms, including evolution Blue are long gone. I think starting with Broly's movie we're only going to get Ssj1, SsjG (being the new ssj2) and SsjB (being the new Ssj3). Doing things like that will make writing easier for everyone and fans will be able to better follow things as there won't be all those forms and branches to remember. UI could be an unofficial Ssj"4".Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Now, for the longest time, I've thought that Super Saiyan Blue Evolution was the SSB version of Super Saiyan 2. But then, the last Dragon Ball Super blu ray came out and pretty much debunked that theory, stating that it's actually the SSB version of Super Saiyan Grade 2. But I think to myself, "Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 even possible?"
So that's why I wanna ask you guys. Do you think Super Saiyan Blue 2 is possible?
So far we've got :
Ssj1
Ssj1 grade 2
Ssj1 grade 3
Ssj2
Ssj2 "rage"
Ssj3
SsjG
SsjB
SsjB Evolution
UI
That's TEN forms which don't even count exclusive forms like Goku's Blu Kaioken, Broly's Legendary form and Black's Rose. Bringing things down to 3-4 forms is a an overdue welcome that should've been done awhile ago. Yellow, Red and Blue, simple and to the point.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
I'm sure it is.
If there comes an opponent that is too powerful for SSJBE, you can bet they'll reach new heights and get SSJB2.
After all it's just SSJ infused with God Ki, they have 2 more SSJ forms to infuse it with when the time comes in the story.
If there comes an opponent that is too powerful for SSJBE, you can bet they'll reach new heights and get SSJB2.
After all it's just SSJ infused with God Ki, they have 2 more SSJ forms to infuse it with when the time comes in the story.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
No that is what it was going to be. It ultimately was not like Ascended SSJ. He evolved Super Saiyan Blue that's all it is.Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Now, for the longest time, I've thought that Super Saiyan Blue Evolution was the SSB version of Super Saiyan 2. But then, the last Dragon Ball Super blu ray came out and pretty much debunked that theory, stating that it's actually the SSB version of Super Saiyan Grade 2. But I think to myself, "Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 even possible?"
So that's why I wanna ask you guys. Do you think Super Saiyan Blue 2 is possible?
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
SSJBE should just be considered SSJB2. Or SSJGSSJ2.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
It probably is possible, its unnecessary though; SSJBE & SSJB Kaio-ken x20 greatly overpower even a hypothetical SSJB3. The real question is are SSJBE2 & SSJBE3 possible? Vegeta could likely overpower even UI Goku if such transformations do exist.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
Wait, where?Dragon Ball Gus wrote:. But then, the last Dragon Ball Super blu ray came out and pretty much debunked that theory, stating that it's actually the SSB version of Super Saiyan Grade 2
That said: in theory, it might be possible. But all transformations beyond base SS are less efficient, which kinds of defeats the point of Blue
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It's from the latest setting art book.ankokudaishogun wrote: Wait, where?
I also noticed some heavy misinformation going around that the image of Vegeta is concept art. Spoiler alert: it isn't. These are pamphlets that showcase production materials referenced by the animators, meaning that they're all final designs.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
I think ssjblue 2 is basically ssjbE.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
If that's the case, SSBE would be would be the equivalent of SSBKKX2. Or 10 times weaker than full power SSBKKX20Berserker1921 wrote:I think ssjblue 2 is basically ssjbE.
It might be the case that against jiren(when fighting alongside vegeta) goku was only using x2 so they looked equal.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
That image only states the form name is Super Saiyan Blue Evolution.Marlowe89 wrote:It's from the latest setting art book.ankokudaishogun wrote: Wait, where?
The scribble on the eye detail is unreadable.
So... source for Evolution being Blue Grade 2?
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
Given Goku goes straight to Kaiohken x10, I'd make a case that Kaiohken multiplies have diminishing returns, at least while used with Blue.AhmadHendie wrote:If that's the case, SSBE would be would be the equivalent of SSBKKX2. Or 10 times weaker than full power SSBKKX20Berserker1921 wrote:I think ssjblue 2 is basically ssjbE.
It might be the case that against jiren(when fighting alongside vegeta) goku was only using x2 so they looked equal.
Hell, IMHO even base Blue Kaiohken doesn't doubles Goku's power.
Because, yeah, no way Hit was more than 10 times stronger than Goku.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
SSBKK should have never been introduced. Or If introduced it should have been capped at X2~5 with a HEAVY physical toll.ankokudaishogun wrote:Given Goku goes straight to Kaiohken x10, I'd make a case that Kaiohken multiplies have diminishing returns, at least while used with Blue.AhmadHendie wrote:If that's the case, SSBE would be would be the equivalent of SSBKKX2. Or 10 times weaker than full power SSBKKX20Berserker1921 wrote:I think ssjblue 2 is basically ssjbE.
It might be the case that against jiren(when fighting alongside vegeta) goku was only using x2 so they looked equal.
Hell, IMHO even base Blue Kaiohken doesn't doubles Goku's power.
Because, yeah, no way Hit was more than 10 times stronger than Goku.
what's the point of having kaioken times 20 that feels like a slightly stronger version of blue ?
DBS anime staff don't know how to write proper scaling . The manga is doing a much better job in the scaling department.
Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
None. That part is total speculation; I'm just providing the source for where people got the idea.ankokudaishogun wrote: So... source for Evolution being Blue Grade 2?
Like I said, loads of misinformation.
Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
tecnically speaking yes, i guess (?) but anyway it would be useless for both Goku and vegeta at this point, their max power far exceeds a x2 ssb as it is now
Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
Why would Goku use anything less than his full power knowing how strong Jiren was ? Beerus said Goku was using his full power when he and Vegeta powered up so it must've been Kaioken20 or otherwise he wouldn't have said that. The production staff also wouldn't waste their time giving Vegeta something less than Goku's full power as the whole point of making that form up was to push Vegeta up to Goku's level.AhmadHendie wrote:If that's the case, SSBE would be would be the equivalent of SSBKKX2. Or 10 times weaker than full power SSBKKX20
It might be the case that against jiren(when fighting alongside vegeta) goku was only using x2 so they looked equal.
The episode was also called Full power, Goku and Vegeta.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
The only problem is that Grade 2 is considered to be 1,5-2x stronger than regular SSj, while SSjBE was more than 20x stronger than SSjB. One could argue it was something like 50x, even. I don't think this is a route they'll go down.
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
self-CORRECTION!!ankokudaishogun wrote:That image only states the form name is Super Saiyan Blue Evolution.Marlowe89 wrote:It's from the latest setting art book.ankokudaishogun wrote: Wait, where?
The image calls the form "Super Saiyan Blue Reinforced", no "Evolution".
Which is fine: while the design are final, often the names are not. It would explain Kale's "Super Saiyan(Berserk)" when every other media calls it only "Berserk"
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Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
I don't really like to take into consideration intermediate/imperfect forms lol
SSJ1
SSJ2
SSJ3
SSJG
SSJB
UI
But UI is on a complete other level with a similar gap than the normal SSJ forms vs God forms, so even if there is SSJB2 would that be stronger than UI is what that question makes me wonder about lol
SSJ1
SSJ2
SSJ3
SSJG
SSJB
UI
But UI is on a complete other level with a similar gap than the normal SSJ forms vs God forms, so even if there is SSJB2 would that be stronger than UI is what that question makes me wonder about lol
Re: Is Super Saiyan Blue 2 possible?
They're more than likely both official, since the "Blue Strengthened" text is organized specifically for the pamphlet. It wouldn't be anywhere close to the first time a form had different names in different media.ankokudaishogun wrote: Which is fine: while the design are final, often the names are not. It would explain Kale's "Super Saiyan(Berserk)" when every other media calls it only "Berserk"