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sunsetshimmer wrote:That is unpopular for sure, but...
Chapter 39 of Super is heavily overhated and still much better than what anime gave.
Roshi dodging Jiren was stupid but this was a better way for Goku to taste UI than being blasted by genki dama which was garbage.
Kefla was way too weak (considering how strong Kale was) and should've lasted a bit longer, but at least Gohan got formidable opponent instead of her being destroyed by Goku which was generic and boring.
I don't dislike the manga, I'm very indifferent towards it. There are some things I like and dislike, but I have to say this:
Chapters 38 and 39 are the only chapters so far to make me actually laugh out loud, at how ridiculous it was. I don't hate it persay, but it's VERY clear how rushed this is. If these people think these last 2 chapters were better than the anime, then I'm honestly curious, because at this point the manga can do little wrong at this point.
I'm not trying to hate on those who liked these last 2 chapters, I'm just very confused.
sunsetshimmer wrote:That is unpopular for sure, but...
Chapter 39 of Super is heavily overhated and still much better than what anime gave.
Roshi dodging Jiren was stupid but this was a better way for Goku to taste UI than being blasted by genki dama which was garbage.
Kefla was way too weak (considering how strong Kale was) and should've lasted a bit longer, but at least Gohan got formidable opponent instead of her being destroyed by Goku which was generic and boring.
I don't dislike the manga, I'm very indifferent towards it. There are some things I like and dislike, but I have to say this:
Chapters 38 and 39 are the only chapters so far to make me actually laugh out loud, at how ridiculous it was. I don't hate it persay, but it's VERY clear how rushed this is. If these people think these last 2 chapters were better than the anime, then I'm honestly curious, because at this point the manga can do little wrong at this point.
I'm not trying to hate on those who liked these last 2 chapters, I'm just very confused.
I don't think there was anything wrong with chapter 38. I am totally fine with all the irrelevant universes being erased because i never cared about those character. They were totally forgettable.
But yeah, chapter 39 was rushed. Most of Gohan vs Kefla fight took place somewhere in background, it felt like fights with villains from hell in Super 17 saga.
Basically Gohan vs Rildo.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
WittyUsername wrote:
I think it’s more so that “SSJ” is a much more distinctive form of initialism than “SS”.
This is the reason I have always used SSJ instead of SS. When I think of "SS" I think of "SS Anne" or "SS" being used before the names of boats be it fictional boats or real-life boats. I want the abbreviation to be more distinctive than using "SS." It just so happens that the Japanese language gives us a good way of making it distinctive because of the way "Saiyan" is pronounced in that language.
Kurakaio wrote:
Dragon Ball Super >= Dragon Ball Z > Dragon Ball GT= Dragon Ball.
I do find this strange, do you mind elaborating? I can understand the DBS>=DBZ thing, I more or less feel the same way except the two switched. I think DBS and DBZ are very similar in quality with DBZ having a slight edge but DB is easily better written and a better story than those two. To put GT and DB as equals is mind boggling to me, because GT to me, is horrendously written and is an embarrassment to the franchise and DB is the best series in the franchise. I would appreciate if you could give some further incite into your viewpoint because I have trouble understanding it.
Also, how can you rank Z when you have very few memories of it?
Dragon Ball was the last series had seen. Yes, I watched GT before I even knew Dragon Ball existed. Dragon Ball was a slog to get through for the most part. The red ribbon army arc, was so boring. It dragged on for what felt like forever. I don't dislike Dragon Ball, but except for the tournaments and the Piccolo saga, I felt it wasn't very good.
In regards to GT, yes it wasn't very good either. The first arc was terrible for the most part. I quite enjoyed the Baby arc though, and... Nuova Shenron and SSJ4 Gogeta were cool too. GT was short enough to where I didn't feel like anything dragged on for too long, barring the first arc. Though the worst was probably Super 17. Not because it was that bad, but because I forget Super 17 even exists 90% of the time. The arc was that short.
I'd probably have a higher opinion of the original Dragon Ball hadn't I seen it earlier, but eh. Some of the jokes are funny, but most are just eh, and since the show up till the Piccolo arc is pretty much solely comedy oriented it didn't help that I didn't find it very funny. Though I do find Super funnier than Dragon Ball ever was so Idk.
Well could you talk about why you have DBS first?
Spoiler:
Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing.
WittyUsername wrote:
I think it’s more so that “SSJ” is a much more distinctive form of initialism than “SS”.
This is the reason I have always used SSJ instead of SS. When I think of "SS" I think of "SS Anne" or "SS" being used before the names of boats be it fictional boats or real-life boats. I want the abbreviation to be more distinctive than using "SS." It just so happens that the Japanese language gives us a good way of making it distinctive because of the way "Saiyan" is pronounced in that language.
Kurakaio wrote:
Dragon Ball Super >= Dragon Ball Z > Dragon Ball GT= Dragon Ball.
I do find this strange, do you mind elaborating? I can understand the DBS>=DBZ thing, I more or less feel the same way except the two switched. I think DBS and DBZ are very similar in quality with DBZ having a slight edge but DB is easily better written and a better story than those two. To put GT and DB as equals is mind boggling to me, because GT to me, is horrendously written and is an embarrassment to the franchise and DB is the best series in the franchise. I would appreciate if you could give some further incite into your viewpoint because I have trouble understanding it.
Also, how can you rank Z when you have very few memories of it?
Dragon Ball was the last series had seen. Yes, I watched GT before I even knew Dragon Ball existed. Dragon Ball was a slog to get through for the most part. The red ribbon army arc, was so boring. It dragged on for what felt like forever. I don't dislike Dragon Ball, but except for the tournaments and the Piccolo saga, I felt it wasn't very good.
In regards to GT, yes it wasn't very good either. The first arc was terrible for the most part. I quite enjoyed the Baby arc though, and... Nuova Shenron and SSJ4 Gogeta were cool too. GT was short enough to where I didn't feel like anything dragged on for too long, barring the first arc. Though the worst was probably Super 17. Not because it was that bad, but because I forget Super 17 even exists 90% of the time. The arc was that short.
I'd probably have a higher opinion of the original Dragon Ball hadn't I seen it earlier, but eh. Some of the jokes are funny, but most are just eh, and since the show up till the Piccolo arc is pretty much solely comedy oriented it didn't help that I didn't find it very funny. Though I do find Super funnier than Dragon Ball ever was so Idk.
Dragon ball was a slog to get through?You do realise that you only didn’t like the beginning and only one other arc.RRa is so boring because it has a lot of filler and I am pretty sure you also like baba tournament.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
PFM18 wrote:
This is the reason I have always used SSJ instead of SS. When I think of "SS" I think of "SS Anne" or "SS" being used before the names of boats be it fictional boats or real-life boats. I want the abbreviation to be more distinctive than using "SS." It just so happens that the Japanese language gives us a good way of making it distinctive because of the way "Saiyan" is pronounced in that language.
I do find this strange, do you mind elaborating? I can understand the DBS>=DBZ thing, I more or less feel the same way except the two switched. I think DBS and DBZ are very similar in quality with DBZ having a slight edge but DB is easily better written and a better story than those two. To put GT and DB as equals is mind boggling to me, because GT to me, is horrendously written and is an embarrassment to the franchise and DB is the best series in the franchise. I would appreciate if you could give some further incite into your viewpoint because I have trouble understanding it.
Also, how can you rank Z when you have very few memories of it?
Dragon Ball was the last series had seen. Yes, I watched GT before I even knew Dragon Ball existed. Dragon Ball was a slog to get through for the most part. The red ribbon army arc, was so boring. It dragged on for what felt like forever. I don't dislike Dragon Ball, but except for the tournaments and the Piccolo saga, I felt it wasn't very good.
In regards to GT, yes it wasn't very good either. The first arc was terrible for the most part. I quite enjoyed the Baby arc though, and... Nuova Shenron and SSJ4 Gogeta were cool too. GT was short enough to where I didn't feel like anything dragged on for too long, barring the first arc. Though the worst was probably Super 17. Not because it was that bad, but because I forget Super 17 even exists 90% of the time. The arc was that short.
I'd probably have a higher opinion of the original Dragon Ball hadn't I seen it earlier, but eh. Some of the jokes are funny, but most are just eh, and since the show up till the Piccolo arc is pretty much solely comedy oriented it didn't help that I didn't find it very funny. Though I do find Super funnier than Dragon Ball ever was so Idk.
Well could you talk about why you have DBS first?
Better pacing, besides the ToP, more moments I enjoyed.
In Z there are plenty of awesome moments, but I'm... not sure how to put it. I constantly go back to rewatch the U6 arc, the Goku black arc, and parts of the ToP, while I only ever really rewatch parts of the buu arc from Z.
It might be a combination of the pacing and the fact that it's newer though.
GT_Goten10 wrote:I don’t know how unpopular this is but I really like ultimate Tenkaichi
Lol that's definitely unpopular. That game is really bad.
Spoiler:
Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing.
GT_Goten10 wrote:I don’t know how unpopular this is but I really like ultimate Tenkaichi
Lol that's definitely unpopular. That game is really bad.
I never played it so i can't say if it's good or not. Gameplay looks a bit boring but it's the best looking DB game so far in my opinion.
Also the giant bosses seem fun, something you don't see in most DB games because giant characters like Oozaru were a lot smaller in games like Budokai Tenkaichi.
Also, it might be the only game where you actually fight against Shenron (except Shadow Dragons but it's obvious)
I don't believe this game can be worse or even comparable to garbage like Battle of Z, Ultimate Battle 22 or Taiketsu.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
GT_Goten10 wrote:I don’t know how unpopular this is but I really like ultimate Tenkaichi
Lol that's definitely unpopular. That game is really bad.
I never played it so i can't say if it's good or not. Gameplay looks a bit boring but it's the best looking DB game so far in my opinion.
Also the giant bosses seem fun, something you don't see in most DB games because giant characters like Oozaru were a lot smaller in games like Budokai Tenkaichi.
Also, it might be the only game where you actually fight against Shenron (except Shadow Dragons but it's obvious)
I don't believe this game can be worse or even comparable to garbage like Battle of Z, Ultimate Battle 22 or Taiketsu.
I have never played Battle of Z what is so bad about it?
GT_Goten10 wrote:I don’t know how unpopular this is but I really like ultimate Tenkaichi
Lol that's definitely unpopular. That game is really bad.
Ign: 7,5/10
That same ign gives call of duty 9 every year so you shouldn't put too much weight behind their opinions. They give UT a 7.5 yet Naruto storm 4 a 5.5, they give XV2 a 7.5 meaning it's as good as UT ?...
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
While i believe UT is a pretty good game, i would never rely on IGN. Reviews at this site are well known meme.
I mean Resident Evil 7 got worse rating than Outlast, so...
Anyway, i never care about mainstream sites like that. The same goes for Rotten Tomatoes where garbage movies get 70-90 rating and some pretty good movies might get even 20-30 lol.
GT_Goten10 wrote:
I have never played Battle of Z what is so bad about it?
Everything. It was nice to see some giant bosses but other than that it was just garbage.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
The Faulconer score is good and works with the series.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:The Faulconer score is good and works with the series.
Very controversial opinion. But how does it work with DBZ?
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ekrolo2 wrote:The Faulconer score is good and works with the series.
Very controversial opinion. But how does it work with DBZ?
I find it always brings a good sense of intensity to the battles, the speed and loudness of it matching the increasing insanity of every following arc. Sure, a lot of it is just loud rock techno music but I don't feel it out of place. The slower tunes playing outside the battle also enhance the inherent weirdness of the series, especially on Namek with the varied cast of more alien people. Its main issue comes from its intensity, if you want something to sound cool or ominous you're covered but it's not really good for simpler moments where going lower key is better.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:The Faulconer score is good and works with the series.
Very controversial opinion. But how does it work with DBZ?
I find it always brings a good sense of intensity to the battles, the speed and loudness of it matching the increasing insanity of every following arc. Sure, a lot of it is just loud rock techno music but I don't feel it out of place. The slower tunes playing outside the battle also enhance the inherent weirdness of the series, especially on Namek with the varied cast of more alien people. Its main issue comes from its intensity, if you want something to sound cool or ominous you're covered but it's not really good for simpler moments where going lower key is better.
There are a few things I don't like about this score placement, like not knowing the use of the silence, but I do enjoy a few tracks like SSJ3 transformation, Vegeta and Cell themes.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Broly was the most entertaining Dragon Ball villain, second to Black/Zamasu. I'm talking about pre-Super movie, too. That one will be even better, though.
I would've liked a mechanic for the ToP where everyone is on equal power levels.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
kudo6000 wrote:Broly was the most entertaining Dragon Ball villain, second to Black/Zamasu. I'm talking about pre-Super movie, too. That one will be even better, though.
I agree. Personally Broli is my favourite villain and the most entertaining to watch, the second being Cell.
