it is "objective" to say that there's a poor production schedule, because well that is well documented and we are well aware of it, but even that inherently subjective to some extent because how people define how bad is "poor" is subjective. But it doesn't even make sense to be like "There's production issues, therefore it is bad" because you aren't actually addressing anything within the show itself. You would have to actually argue where these production issues actually manifested themselves for it to have any real meaning. It is just a convenient way to undermine the show with no real substance whatsoever.supersaiyanZero wrote:Nobody said you can't enjoy it. But the abysmal production schedule, the lack of communication between writers (and toriyama), the art issues, the animation issues, abysmal score - these are all objectively there and a considerable step down from its predecessor. So yeah, go ahead and enjoy it I guess.PFM18 wrote:No, no God forbid somebody actually likes and enjoys the new material! I realize I'm in the minority so given the way the general population feels about it, it would seem to most that considering it a well executed show is not a reality, but I don't necessarily care. But somebody asking for you to support your opinion being met by claiming that evaluating the show as good is a fantasy is just not right.Kuwabara wrote: Why is it a fantasy? You sound like an asshole when you say it like that. It's his opinion, and from what I've seen, he frequently goes out of his way to support his thoughts.
Other people's loss though, it has thoroughly revitalized my love for this franchise.
Everything else you said is either extremely subjective or just your speculation. Especially the score. How the hell can you say the score is objectively bad? Music is the most subjective thing out there. You have no idea how well the writers communicate with each other you're just speculating. Again, animation is very subjective and you're just factually incorrect in saying that it is objective. And as I see things, anything past the retellings is far superior to anything we saw in Z outside of the movies or maybe parts of the Buu arc. Especially the ToP, which is, save for the DBS movie, by far the best animation in the franchise. Certainly not "a considerable step down from it's predecessor." As far as the art that's just your preference if anything and not even remotely objective.
That last part is just a passive aggressive way to undermine me actually liking it.
Pretty much yeah. How the production issues actually manifest themselves and if the resulting show managed to compensate for that is entirely subjective.Shaddy wrote:Production issues are a thing that existed, but whether those things are directly tied to the actual quality of the result (and if so, how much) comes down to the opinions of the viewer. It's subjective. You're gonna probably say it's not an opinion and is an "objective fact" in the future, but it's still gonna be an opinion and people are going to keep telling you it's an opinion.