Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Regarder]

First, without their suits, Heliotes are likely just as strong as a normal human so let's be honest,

Your point about Cell still stands, as Cell is so far above them, but I just want to point out that although the Heliotes are relatively weak in terms of the other characters, in human terms they should be thought of as being vastly powerful. Why? When fighting one of them, Android 16 remarks "His armor makes him as resistant as a cyborg! But his strikes and his superhuman speed, he owes them to his boosted and trained body!", so they are ridiculously stupidly powerful even without armor, but that's still weak compared to the ridiculously absurdly preposterously outrageously ludicrously powerful characters that comprise the main cast. They're not normal humans using tech to keep up but superhumans using tech to keep up with even stronger superhumans.

[FoolsGil]

So, Cell is only doing this to be cruel, and he's also doing this to be stupid. Not the smartest decision or an efficient use of time for a perfect being.

Which...is exactly how he is in the actual canon. Otherwise, SSJ2 Gohan would've never happened.

His stupidity back then doesn't mean that it's okay to make more stupid decisions, or that what happened with Gohan and what he's doing now is the same level of dumb.

[Fionordequester]

His stupidity back then doesn't mean that it's okay to make more stupid decisions, or that what happened with Gohan and what he's doing now is the same level of dumb.

What it means is that his behavior here is consistent with his behavior in canon. Both times, he toyed with someone he really shouldn't have been taking so lightly; and in Gohan's case, he paid dearly for that.

I'm sorry but, I really just don't see the difference. Unless you're saying Toriyama wasn't justified writing him that way, either (in which case, fair enough)?

[FoolsGil]

His stupidity back then doesn't mean that it's okay to make more stupid decisions, or that what happened with Gohan and what he's doing now is the same level of dumb.

What it means is that his behavior here is consistent with his behavior in canon. Both times, he toyed with someone he really shouldn't have been taking so lightly; and in Gohan's case, he paid dearly for that.

I'm sorry but, I really just don't see the difference. Unless you're saying Toriyama wasn't justified writing him that way, either (in which case, fair enough)?

It just seems way too dumb. Piccolo is roaming the war zone, and he's not the only hero there stronger than Cell. It would be different if there was no one else stronger than him that could kill him from behind, probably while surveying things instead of having to actually go over there and fight him to submission and kill him.

[Fionordequester]

It just seems way too dumb. Piccolo is roaming the war zone, and he's not the only hero there stronger than Cell. It would be different if there was no one else stronger than him that could kill him from behind, probably while surveying things instead of having to actually go over there and fight him to submission and kill him.

Actually, Cell's probably the strongest warrior here right now, apart from maybe Mystic Gohan. And even then, he has regenerative capabilities.

Remember, this is NOT the same Cell that we know! He could kill even Super Buu with ease (er, not Zen Buu; the canon one).

[TobyS]

Yeah the helioites are somewhat super human. Not baseline humans, regardless every little helps, he seems about equal to Gohan, even regular humans might tip the scales.

And Cell isn't being unsafe. There is no one there who can stop him.

Piccolo is weaker and both Gohans are individually busy and otherwise occupied.

This is what bugs me, there's nothing wrong with complaints in and of itself. It's that 99% baseless bullshit from people who don't seem to fucking read properly or remember earlier plot points AND what is legit is never paired with constructive critique of how it could be better or compliments for the bits you do like.

It's just cancerous negativity. The ignore feature isn't fit, it'd give less content to see users posts on other threads where they aren't being entitled whiners.

[FoolsGil]

Yeah the helioites are somewhat super human. Not baseline humans, regardless every little helps, he seems about equal to Gohan, even regular humans might tip the scales.

And Cell isn't being unsafe. There is no one there who can stop him.

Piccolo is weaker and both Gohans are individually busy and otherwise occupied.

This is what bugs me, there's nothing wrong with complaints in and of itself. It's that 99% baseless bullshit from people who don't seem to fucking read properly or remember earlier plot points AND what is legit is never paired with constructive critique of how it could be better or compliments for the bits you do like.

It's just cancerous negativity. The ignore feature isn't fit, it'd give less content to see users posts on other threads where they aren't being entitled whiners.

1) You know who else was considered "superhuman?" Krillin by the 21st Budokai. I may have been wrong about Heliotes being as strong as a normal human, but we've seen superhuman levels quite early in the canon and that's not much of anything in the level of power. At best Heliotes without their suits could be as strong as Buu Saga Krillin levels at best, which I doubt, but even if they were that's still not even worth a drop of anything when someone like Gohan is on the field. They aren't even as strong as a basic Super Saiyan, it's ridiculous to think absorbing one, or even two is going to do a dent in the grand scheme.

2) Yeah, switching between the specials and the battle at hand, I did forget that Piccolo somehow isn't at a much higher level, my mistake. But I don't believe for a second that the Gohan on the field is "occupied," someone at his level not being fast enough to blow up Nappa's head before he could break Bra's neck is also pretty ridiculous, and he's probably on his way back to Cell to make him realize he made a bad decision when he loses a portion of his body in the blast that comes, if he doesn't get atomized.

3) You know what this thread is about and what conversations come out of it. Bitching about Bitching doesn't make you enlightened.

[Regarder]

Cell's absorption is non-linear at least, because absorbing all of those humans took him from being weaker than Piccolo to being on par with Android 16, but it can't be that non-linear otherwise there'd be no point absorbing the Androids in the first place. It's either Cell is being dumb (villains act dumb in the series too so no difference there), or Cell is being smart because he's gaining something from this besides power, and we just don't know about it without seeing the next few pages.

For a while I've wished for DB Multiverse to save up pages and just let people hang for a while (for goodness sake's - go do something else!) and then release them all in 10-20 page batches like an actual manga. Obviously there'd be more downtime, but does that really matter? I don't know why they insist on filling the already existing downtime with subpar specials that rarely ever explain anything about the alternate universes that wasn't obvious to begin with, and half of which are just pointless massacres with zero story.

[jcogginsa]

Yeah the helioites are somewhat super human. Not baseline humans, regardless every little helps, he seems about equal to Gohan, even regular humans might tip the scales.

And Cell isn't being unsafe. There is no one there who can stop him.

Piccolo is weaker and both Gohans are individually busy and otherwise occupied.

This is what bugs me, there's nothing wrong with complaints in and of itself. It's that 99% baseless bullshit from people who don't seem to fucking read properly or remember earlier plot points AND what is legit is never paired with constructive critique of how it could be better or compliments for the bits you do like.

It's just cancerous negativity. The ignore feature isn't fit, it'd give less content to see users posts on other threads where they aren't being entitled whiners.

1) You know who else was considered "superhuman?" Krillin by the 21st Budokai. I may have been wrong about Heliotes being as strong as a normal human, but we've seen superhuman levels quite early in the canon and that's not much of anything in the level of power. At best Heliotes without their suits could be as strong as Buu Saga Krillin levels at best, which I doubt, but even if they were that's still not even worth a drop of anything when someone like Gohan is on the field. They aren't even as strong as a basic Super Saiyan, it's ridiculous to think absorbing one, or even two is going to do a dent in the grand scheme.

2) Yeah, switching between the specials and the battle at hand, I did forget that Piccolo somehow isn't at a much higher level, my mistake. But I don't believe for a second that the Gohan on the field is "occupied," someone at his level not being fast enough to blow up Nappa's head before he could break Bra's neck is also pretty ridiculous, and he's probably on his way back to Cell to make him realize he made a bad decision when he loses a portion of his body in the blast that comes, if he doesn't get atomized.

3) You know what this thread is about and what conversations come out of it. Bitching about Bitching doesn't make you enlightened.

Actually Krillin and Goku in the 21st Budokai aren't superhuman by the Series standards. They don't explicitly move to that level until the 22nd Budokai

[Fionordequester]

Cell's absorption is non-linear at least, because absorbing all of those humans took him from being weaker than Piccolo to being on par with Android 16, but it can't be that non-linear otherwise there'd be no point absorbing the Androids in the first place.

To be fair, one's Power Level didn't need to be that much higher to dominate a fight in DBZ. See Vegeta manhandling Dodoria, even when that was just 24,000 PL vs. 22,000 PL

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[FoolsGil]

The twist: I bet Buu has made a religion about himself and everyone in that line wants to be absorbed.

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Would be interesting if that happened, sadly, Buu absorbed Blooma, so no Bra, and no Uub, since Buu didnt die and reincarnate.

[RandomGuy96]

Granting wishes? Appropriate for a genie.

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Is that Frog from Chrono Trigger?

[Marco Polo]

Is that Frog from Chrono Trigger?

Nice

[TobyS]

So Yamcha... and Tenshinhan and chaozu are still alive in Buus universe right? Why didn't they enter?

They know they can't beat Buu but you think they'd try or at least get picked up to spectate. Maybe enter with the hopes to help someone else beat Buu, and wish for their friends back or anything...

I get out of universe they don't want too many duplicate characters that aren't trunks or Vegeta but...

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[Kamiccolo9]

I like the Bith there. Would be even better if he started playing.